Re: [humanism-174] "The Bible" on History Channel

From: Tim C.
Sent on: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:44 PM
I would use the word "scam" or "con", when referring to religions, rather than conspiracy.  I know there are those who claim that the existence of Jesus is the result of a conspiracy among early gospel writers, but beyond that, the religion is more of a con.  A good one though as it HAS lasted for millenia!
 
Tim
 
 
In a message dated 3/12/2013 4:31:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [address removed] writes:
 
   Tim wrote "The higher up a conspiracy originates, the more people are required to execute it. The more people involved, the less chance of the conspiracy remaining secret."
Religion is the biggest conspiracy ever conducted on the world still is fooling people.  Most conspiracies can be debunked by critical thinking.  The WTC conspiracy can  be debunked by simply comparing known implosions with the collapse of the WTC.             

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:54 PM, TC3 <[address removed]> wrote:
The problem wit conspiracies is that it is so easy to conspire these days.
All it requires is one person saying "Yeah right." and the otherwise intelligent among us simply looks away.
The word "conspiracy theory" itself  will shut off your brain instantly, do to the years of classical conditioning associated with it.
Whether or not a group of people conspired is irrelevant. Whether or not you can imagine the group conspiring denotes whether it happened or not.
The social engineers who are our shepherds know this.
Having a smug discourse along with a self important attitude does not change whether or not people intended events.
Belief is irrelevant.


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Tim Campbell <[address removed]> wrote:
The higher up a conspiracy originates, the more people are required to execute it. The more people involved, the less chance of the conspiracy remaining secret. Hard enough to get three or four people to cooperate in committing a major crime. Do you two loons have any clue how many people and the scale of logistics required to pull off a 9/11?
Sometimes a gift is just a gift.
Mr orel is right that rus drives on the crazy side of the street. He does not realize that he is also riding in the car.



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Subject: Re: [humanism-174] "The Bible" on History Channel

You should see what they are 'not' doing with artificially constructed life forms. lol


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Mark R. Orel <[address removed]> wrote:
Russell: 


I'm sorry but you are crazy.  The WTC is a closed book. 
Didn't you read the first Final Report in 2002, or the
second Final Report in 2008, and now it isn't even
being called the "Final Report" last up-dated June
2012.  Don't you understand that it just doesn't matter
that no forensic tests of any type were conducted on
any of the aircraft, or buildings.  Why can't you accept
the computer models as sited in the report. The report(s)
clearly state that these are the "probable" sequences. 
Why do you want to be in a group of Architects, Fire Fighters,
Police, and medical personal?  What the hell is wrong with
You? 

I mean conspiracies aren't real.  I mean it isn't like we would
ever infect our own people with syphilis (http://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm). 
And who in their right mind would ever think a county like ours
would ever be involved in  "False Flag" operations? 
Like we would ever allow one of our allies like Israel to
bomb one of our own ships (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html).
Or like we would try a coup d'état of a democratically elected government
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat)?

And just because the Presidency is more powerful now than
any other time in this counties history, and we have nothing
but cowards in Congress who are more concerned about
being re-elected rather than defending the Constitution, to
which they swore, what is there to worry about?  It's not like the
President would ever consider the use of an unmanned aircraft
to kill an American citizen on U.S. soil, without any kind of
over-site.  

It's not like Congress picks the people, there are no safe
Congressional seats, especially in Ohio, just look at the
map, http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/OH, it
allows for free and fair elections. 

I'm sorry Russell, but come on...I mean get real and stick your
head back in the ground like the rest of us.  I'm sorry for being
so hard on you, but you did ask for it. 


M. Orel  

On[masked]:29, Russell Stanton wrote:
Tim and Greg -   I suppose you’ll be willing to agree I have some justification for speaking on behalf of conspiracy theorists.   Obviously you have very limited understanding of them (or us). Especially since these days of the internet,  particularly youtube,  all this inside knowledge you mentioned is not secret.   Of course there is plenty of exagerated or purely fabricated balderdash that gets emailed around too much.    There are always low-information/ low-ethics individuals in every segment of society what can we ever do about things like THAT problem.    Most “conspiracists” fully understand that our ability to protect ourselves from the conspiracies is very limited, and that our best protection will only come from wider acceptance and understanding of those conspiracies (whichever ones are actually true).    Which brings me to the fact that the sincere conspiracy theorists  are only in search of the truth and finding ways to inspire more people also search for it,  instead of  simply accepting everything the mainstream media tells us, without question.    It’s not intrigue that’s swirling above our (or your) heads that concerns us,   it’s the truth swirling up there, which is so unknown and so rejected by most Americans  that we obsess about.     It’s people like you who are so enslaved to your prejudices and paradigms about what to believe/ disbelieve that worries  me.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Let’s dive directly into one of the hottest conspiracy theories -  the one about what caused the WTC buildings to fall.     Do you believe everything Bush and Cheney and their 9-11 so called investigators said we should believe?    What about Richard Gage and the 1,500 other credentialed  experts who agree with him that the three WTC buildings weren’t destroyed by just two airliners -   do you think every one of them is lying to us?  do they all have some shady subversive agenda causing them to wager their reputations on this craziness?    Here’s a link to their website in case you’d like  to  explain how all the things they say are lies or hallucinations or otherwize untrue:  http://www.ae911truth.org/.   And then  if you have enough curiosity to look,  you might get some good insights from   someone who made a 6 minute youtube  particularly about you who seem to get psychological benefits from  ridiculing people who have differing beliefs from the ones you have.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         Rus                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
"Cherish your doubts for doubt is the attendant of truth; it is the
> servant of discovery. Truth, if it be truth, arises from each testing
> stronger" -- Robert T. Weston





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