In a message dated 3/13/2013 2:28:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[address removed] writes:
Thank you for
a well reasoned response.
First, my rant was not meant to be
the WTC, rather it was to point out that there are
"conspiracies" out there that deserve, that require
attention. And to think of all conspiracies as
irrational, and dangerous.
I do not think that anyone here, let alone me, has maintained that "all
conspiracies" are irrational. Anytime two or more people plan a crime, you
have a conspiracy. There are millions of such conspiracies that have
occurred and continue to occur every day. And there are very likely
conspiracies that occur at a very high level, perhaps the highest levels.
Bay of Pigs was the result of a conspiracy. Some might call it a plan gone
wrong, but it was unquestionably the result of a conspiracy among members of the
JFK cabinet, military, CIA, and the president himself.
Where the "irrational" aspect enters into the conversation is when people
with absolutely no qualifications whatsoever, no direct or even indirect
connection to an event, begin to tout "theories" that require such expenditures
of energy and people in order to succeed that secrecy becomes almost impossible,
and while none of the hundreds of trained professional investigators
miss the truth, only THEY see the elephant behind the sofa and the secret
passages in the Kama Sutra that reveal the truths hidden to us mere
To imagine that EVERY event that occurs is the result of high-level
manipulations IS irrational, especially when the theory depends on omissions of
action that are more easily explained as accidental or unnecessary to the
As to the WTC specifically, you are mistaken to assume
that I believe that our Government colluded with Al-Qaeda.
think that was just an unfortunate coincidence.
The conspiracy, I
believe is much more mundane.
I believe the buildings were being
prepared for demolition,
to make way for a new complex. I just see
Government as inept, at least in this
Really? An interesting observation. So the worst attack on
American soil (in terms of deaths) since the Civil War was really the fortuitous
prelude to a giant urban renewal project? What evidence--real
evidence, not internet musings by nutjobs--that two of the largest towers in the
world were slated for demolition? And are you saying that this attack
simply worked into the plans of the developers? You are insulted when I
accuse you of irrationality and being a loon, but YOU wrote the above
paragraph. And even if developers were looking at changing the usage of
the area and removing the existing structures, do you really see this attack as
an "inept" government maneuver, perhaps to aid the developers?
The first N.I.S.T. report was a joke it was published in 2002.
The preface alone was enough to the most ardent skeptic believe
cover-up was taking place. I have been looking for structural
forensic data as described in the Scientific American
Good for you. Most of us watched the second aircraft fly into the
second tower. Witnesses described the first crash and that was verified by
FAA and others on the ground and inside the towers after the crashes.
Aircraft wreckage was found inside the debris of both towers, at the Pentagon,
and in a field in PA. Bush was at a grade school, but perhaps Cheney and
several minions were waiting in the basements of both towers in order to
set off timed charges that would then bring the towers down, despite the
destructive capabilities of two giant fully-fueled jumbo jets hitting tall
buildings at about 300 or 400 miles per hour. But we won't come to any
conclusions until Mark Orel (structural engineer, physicist,aeronautical
engineer, and expert in Hungarian and Taiwanese cuisine) has had the
chance to study the structural forensic data. ONLY THEN will we be able to
sleep at night, knowing that Mark Orel and his own minions have drawn the
correct conclusions. Sheesh.
Unfortunately the raw data hasn't been available to the
Yeah, otherwise, Mister Orel would have figured all of this out long
I haven't had the time to keep up to date on this matter these
past few years, due to more personal
Perhaps a grant from the government will enable Mr. Orel to devote the time
to this topic that it deserves. Obviously, the many agencies of the
government and the thousands of people who worked on this were all under
the way of government "social engineers".
I will read the revised reports, hopefully they will be more
informative than amusing.
Perhaps Mister Orel and his minion Rus can co-publish an article in SA or a
book blowing the lid off this giant conspiracy. Boy, won't I look foolish