Re: [humanism-174] Islamophobia?

From: Susan H.
Sent on: Monday, April 1, 2013 5:14 PM
LOL. I run a forum for secular ex-Jehovah's Witnesses. Saying fuck is like a badge of honor, so I immediately closed the site to the public and made it 18 and over. Because I'll tell you, there is no one more incorrigible than someone that was a member of that religion and is now an atheist!

So in my heathen atheist mode, I'm used to posting whatever pops into my mind, but have been trying to tone it down here, because I don't fully understand the climate.  It's a funny and liberating word to me. It's symbolic. Being told what to think and what words I could say for decades just makes it especially sweet.  But I do know how to act in public. LOL 



-----Original Message-----
From: Chris K <[address removed]>
To: humanism-174 <[address removed]>
Sent: Mon, Apr 1,[masked]:50 pm
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Islamophobia?

In fact you can say fuck repeatedly.  We have a lot of people who say fuck a lot.  Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.....

Chris


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Susan Haywood <[address removed]> wrote:
Oh, I get to say 'fuck'?  YAYYYY.

I absolutely agree that secular law is the only thing keeping Christianity in check. Take a look at an Islamic nation and see what a Christian nation looked like. Would I rather be burned alive at a stake, have my limbs ripped out of socket by a rack, be publicly disembowled, or be stoned? Decisions, decisions.







-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Campbell <[address removed]>
To: humanism-174 <[address removed]>
Sent: Mon, Apr 1,[masked]:35 pm
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Islamophobia?

One would want to read a group's writing only if one gave a shit about why the group was so fucked up.  Don't need to read the Qu'ran in order to SEE for one's self that this is a fucked up religion, not of peace, but of bloodshed and violent exclusivity. I no longer care that much about their history or traditions. It is a gutter religion for gutter people and ought to be extinguished.  At least Christians make an effort to appear civilized, though I do not doubt for a second that only secular law stands in the way of the burning and torturing of heretics and unbelievers!  Islam in its own countries just is not under such restraint.
 
Tim Campbell
 
In a message dated 4/1/2013 4:10:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [address removed] writes:
What's to be phobic about?

Death to Blasphemers. Death to apostates. Death to little girls who want to go to school. Death to the infidel.

Why would anyone need to read the Koran to understand the fruitage of that religion? Mix that with having political power, and whats to be phobic about?

The goal is to rule the world. What is there to fear?

Dawkins is form the UK, and they have allowed those that ascribe to Sharia law to set up an alternative court system. I think he has reason for concern.


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris K <[address removed]>
To: humanism-174 <[address removed]>
Sent: Mon, Apr 1,[masked]:30 am
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Islamophobia?

What I don't understand is the inability of people to grasp the fact RELIGION IS SUBJECTIVE!! Simply because some Muslims don't believe in xyz doesn't mean all don't.  I find this a very difficult point to make to some people at times. 

Just the other day I was having a conversation with a very bright young woman who was unable to grasp the fact that some people use verses in the Quran to justify all types of violence and oppression. She said oh no,  I've read the Quran and it doesn't say those things.  

When you claim knowledge about a god or gods through divine revelation or the ability to speak with that god it becomes problematic for those that don't agree with you.

Chris

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On Apr 1, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote:

Once again the so-called "new atheists" are being accused of being 'Islamophobic'-
Then again, I'm not sure we can blame them if they are-




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