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Re: [humanism-174] Check out Jesus Portrait Taken Down In Ohio Middle School

From: Susan H.
Sent on: Friday, April 5, 2013 9:32 AM
Well, we also pay for roads and bridges we will never use, research we may never personally need, programs we will never benefit from and wars we may not support. That's the thing about taxes. They are applied to the public, and 'the public' doesn't always include us personally.
 
There are things we must fund for the public good and interests, and constitutionally, religion is not one of them.
 
Islam is also mandated to spread the word and religion. They don't seem to understand that demographics change all the time, and one day our vigilance will protect them too.
 
But when they've rewritten the Constitution to make Jesus the author, it's difficult for them to see past all that.
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From: Tim Campbell <[address removed]>
To: humanism-174 <[address removed]>
Sent: Fri, Apr 5,[masked]:21 am
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Check out Jesus Portrait Taken Down In Ohio Middle School

Very true.  The genesis of this battle comes primarily from the so-called Christian community, due to their self-proclaimed mission to "spread the gospel".  They are mandated to push their religion onto the world, and of course justify this by claiming/believing that they are actually doing the world a favor.  That others might not share their sense of wonderment at the "good news" about Jesus etc, does not seem to factor into the equation.  Growing up on bible stories and stories of tortured martyrs doesn't help either!
 
On the voucher side, many parents who have chosen to send their children to private schools feel like they are being hit with a double whammy:  paying tuition for their own children while paying taxes to educate others.  Short-sighted, but that is where the voucher concept came from.  Of course, that only passes the buck and you have parents of public school children paying taxes for their own kids as well as paying taxes to help send the private school kids to school! 
 
Frustrating, but yep, it IS a never-ending battle.  And reason seldom shows up when "Jesus" is involved!
 
Tim Campbell
 
In a message dated 4/5/2013 8:22:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [address removed] writes:
How frustrating that this continues to even be a debate. It's a never ending battle. They think of it as an attack on Christianity, but really it's a protection for everyone, regardless of belief or non-belief. Even when I was a believer, I supported the separation of Church and State, because my beliefs were not mainstream, and I did agree that government buildings should be neutral.
 
After you posted the information on school vouchers being defeated, I posted the information on my secular forum expecting some good and insightful comments. I was deeply disappointed. It turned out that even atheists argued for the voucher program. Their reasoning was that the public schools were a mess, so this may be a solution. Kids will follow the religion of their parents, regardless of the schools the government funds. AND we don't have a right to tell others how to believe (not sure where that one comes from). There was absolutely no regard for the Constitution in the matter, and no concern about maintaining the separation.
 
It really gets discouraging.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]>
To: humanism-174 <[address removed]>
Sent: Fri, Apr 5,[masked]:37 am
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Check out Jesus Portrait Taken Down In Ohio Middle School

FFRF's Dan Barker was on FOX News talking about their (temporary?) victory... at 2:18 he gets in one of his classic barbed quips! :)



On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:10 PM, sheri presloid <[address removed]> wrote:
Yeah...I participate in commenting on HP.  What a run I had with a believer.  Wowzie.  

There are still a few nuts out there.  No matter how many times I mentioned it was separation of church and state and that is the LAW, I was evil and scaring the good christian people because I was one of those people that was "godless" and will hurt anyone that loves god.

Oh boy....



On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Tim Campbell <[address removed]> wrote:




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