Re: [humanism-174] regarding TC3

From: TC3
Sent on: Monday, April 8, 2013 4:26 PM
proofreading after sending isn't recommended.

edit: non-falsifiable claims vs falsifiable claims.

I'm trying to say
Religion can't be seen or proven wrong or right.
Anchoring can be seen, studied and proven.


On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:34 PM, J Bowers <[address removed]> wrote:
YES ! I ask myself that question specifically of of respect for the scientific method.
I WANT to be wrong about it. The facts convinced me, but ONLY after scrutiny.
Watch Penn Gillette (Penn and Teller) and Adam Savage (Mythbusters) to see them using nearly identical methods of anchoring.

I've had conversations with religious people that mirrors the pattern we're making here.
Person makes outlandish but falsifiable claims, ie "I didn't want to be moved by the holy spirit but it moved me anyways." or "Just try Jesus."
With the religious we can say "i see no evidence to support that claim."
Concerning the controlling body and their need to govern many thousand of people, the claim "They're hypnotizing you."is also falsifiable, but when the evidence part pops up, it turns out it IS there. Iron Mountains of it!



On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Tim Campbell <[address removed]> wrote:
The Air Force uses underground facilities to store munitions and for hardened control centers.  A stretch to imagine that they are tunneling to China or to anywhere else for that matter.  If you want to buy into the "Deep Underground Bases" stories and the "Secret Government" conspiracies, go ahead.  When you agree that there is something off about your mindeset, you then claim that this enables you to "see hypnosis for what it is".  Any possibility that you are seeing hypnosis where there is none? That in fact it is YOUR perception of reality that is wrong?  Re-read some of your past posts and look for the common thread.  Looks to me like the symptoms of a mental disorder with a skewed reality.  A false reality being fed by some detailed yet equally delusional web sites. 
 
In a message dated 4/8/[masked]:52:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [address removed] writes:
Ask them. I didn't purchase the machine.

http://projectcamelot.org/underground_bases.html

And yep, you're correct. Something off about my mindset allowed me to see hypnosis for what it is.
I've studied closely people such as Dr Richard Bandler, Tony Robbins and others.
Believe it or not, there is an entire field dedicated to such things as hand gestures to facilitate a process called anchoring.
Call it a rant all you like. They are doing it to you, and people like me can see it. I refuse to use it because of morality issues, but sometimes play with mirroring. Mirroring is a process only recently proven to be a hard wired aspect of our neural biology.
We see another human out there performing an act and part of our brain "mirrors" the act in order to understand it. If you raise your hand in front of a person, their brain will always, see that as their own hand. Our conscious perception of the world is but a fraction of what is being experienced by the brain at any given time.
You've convinced yourself of my delusional status regardless of reality.
Programmers are programming you. I' m not claiming to be the one true knower of all bla bla bla. That's a straw man you're insulting.
I'm saying hypnosis exists and is blatantly in use on a mass scale.
"A TV in every living room and a car in every driveway!" they say.


On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Tim Campbell <[address removed]> wrote:
More than tiresome; it is a good indication of mental illness.  Paranoid schizophrenia is marked by these sorts of irrational beliefs and the equally irrational defense that "I" know the truth, while "you" cannot see the truth!
 
And to be blunt, TC3 does not imply anything. He states it outright!!! He "knows" the truth; he is the specially chosen "knower".  WE are the "deceived".  Sounds like a fundaloon defense to me, but of course, I'm just a meanie!  lol
 
I don't want to be a smart ass, but tc3 claimed that he thought that the Air Force was secretly drilling a tunnel through the earth to China.  Why the Air Force? Don't they know they have airplanes?
 
Tim Campbell
 
In a message dated 4/7/2013 9:33:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [address removed] writes:
Randy said to TC3:

"It is insulting, as well as simply false, to continuously imply, as you have repeatedly done, that we are all mindless, intellectually dead zombies held captive by some assortment of hidden forces and groups manipulating us. And that only you know the truth."

I agree. Classic hallmark of one who has become too absorbed in a conspiracy theory, and it is tiresome.




On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Sam Salerno <[address removed]> wrote:
Oh no! This guy is making us dissipate. I don't think so. But, TC3, you definitely make me not want to be in on a conversation that you are in. Open ended conversations can go on forever with no conclusions. I prefer to pick a side and stand for it.


On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Randy Pelton <[address removed]> wrote:
Who on this forum claimed that religion doesn't exist? We all know about Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Jainism and the multitude of other religions. We even know of the existence of Satanists. But what the hell is this claim about the Mystery School? Where the hell is the evidence for its existence? It is tiresome and annoying to have to continually address your absurd and unsubstantiated claims to have access to knowledge and understanding that the rest of us are unwilling to accept. It is insulting, as well as simply false, to continuously imply, as you have repeatedly done, that we are all mindless, intellectually dead zombies held captive by some assortment of hidden forces and groups manipulating us. And that only you know the truth. Your atheism, the apparent reason you came to this forum, has not immunized you against delusional thinking. Delusional, sloppy, irrational thinking is apparently widespread in your mind. You are not the freethinker you think you are. You are using the term as a license to believe in and spread as widely as you can all manner of irrational thinking and ideas. You need some serious, long-term emersion in Critical Thinking therapy.

Randy


From: TC3 <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] regarding TC3

I am an unlikeable guy with weird thoughts. There is definitely something wrong with me. Groups dissipate when I arrive. People disagree automatically when I speak, even if I reiterate their own point verbatim.

I'm just unlikeable and I accept that.

 But I'm not here to 'troll' you or whatever. I've seen evidence that religion exists. The obvious religions we know of like Christtards or Islam. What about the Satanists? What about the Mystery School? You don't care about the ones who keep to themselves? They inform public policy and effect your laws.

Words like 'occult' are used as associations. Look up associative memory if you don't believe me.
All 'they' have to do is make movies depicting anything they want you to disbelieve. Then when someone like me comes along and points out what they're doing, your automatic response is 'oh like that movie, shut up'

You're being manipulated and I am not. People on stage will dance like chickens when induced by something called a hypnotist.
People will take in hypnotic suggestions at home from something called a TV.

I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP.

but you're right, I probably do have a mild form of schizophrenia. 


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote:
I'll state the obvious first off- the opinions of TC3 or any other person who participates here are their own individual opinions, not necessarily those of the group.
I think a true "troll" is one who would hang around here to purposely  disrupt the proceedings, or to repeatedly try and peel people to an outside agenda... perhaps something the "troll" is far too hysterical about, like the situation with that Nazi troll who was removed about a month ago.
Nonsensical and/or baseless musings on this list, in general, have been superbly handled by you, Tim, and others. While I realize feeling the need to set the record straight when baseless assertions and/or vacuous philosophical musings are presented here can be mighty tedious, others (especially readers of the list who do not post or infrequently post) have mentioned to me that the occasional push and pull is what keeps the forum interesting.
For some, anything resembling a hive-minded echo chamber might be tedium; for others, having to run back over well-treaded (and well-debunked) ground might be tedious. And then there's my own least favorite, quibbling over semantics! :)
In summation- some kooky statements have been made here, but I don't think anyone is truly trolling?
On Apr 3,[masked]:53 PM, "Tim Campbell" <[address removed]> wrote:
Has TC3 EVER offered a post that was not irrational or nonsensical?  When called on his lunatic assertions, he attempts to turn the tables and insults the members of this group, accusing us of being sheep and slaves and robots and owned by the Man, simply because we do not share his delusions of MATRIX-like plots and government-run mind control, and conspiracies for damned near everything.  Not to mention rants about occult symbols doing who knows what. 
 
This, I think, has gone on long enough.  Contrary opinions are one thing; outright lunacy and non-sequitur commentaries are another.  Freethinking DOES involved THINKING, eh?
 
Whether he is mentally ill or just unaware of reality, I do not know and have no wish to speculate any more.  He is very likely a troll and IMO should be treated as such.
 
Am I the only one here in this group who feels this way? 
 
Tim Campbell
 
 




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