Re: [humanism-174] Most religion, in a nutshell

From: Mark T.
Sent on: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:25 PM

Ha! That IS funny!

I'm a fan of the original Black Sabbath- it so happens that just yesterday I checked out the 1st single from their upcoming reunion album. It's called "God is Dead?" I didn't have high hopes, since I watched a live reunion clip on YouTube from a show last year, and Ozzy sounded absolutely abysmal on one of their classic tunes ("Wheels of Confusion"). But he actually sounds pretty decent on this cut, which was inspired by religion-motivated violence:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=wVfUimq2KeI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DwVfUimq2KeI

But Ozzy is quick to point out the disclaimer near the end of the song:

http://www.antimusic.com/news/13/April/25Ozzy_Osbourne_Explains_Black_Sabbaths_God_Is_Dead.shtml

On Apr 25,[masked]:55 PM, "sheri presloid" <[address removed]> wrote:
Sorry; one more point I forgot to make that will bust everyone up.  Marilyn Manson (Brian Warner; real name) is from Akron.  He dated Ernest Angley's niece when he was a teen.  I have MM's autobiography and it is really good.  He used to be an alter boy.


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Sheri Presloid <[address removed]> wrote:
The song is great.  But, here are the lyrics less all the repeating of it.  You are right; the fear of a hell does it for most!


Dead is what he is, he does what he please
The things that he has you'll never want to see
What you're never gonna be now
Sketch a little keyhole for looking-glass people
You don't want to see him, you only want to be him
Mommy's got a scarecrow, gotta let the corn grow
Man can't always reap what he sow

He is the maker
He is the taker
He is the savior
He is the raper

Get back you're never gonna leave him
Get back you're always gonna please him





On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote:

Exactly, Sheri! From what I know of this person he is/was a "lukewarm" #2- raised Catholic, but I don't think he has attended church in his entire life, save for weddings or funerals. Still, he always seemed as if he had enough lingering "fear of God" in him to be classified as religious. That's why it was such a pleasant surprise :)

I'll have to check out that song. I enjoy hearing about what prompted others to give up the idea of god, since I have no religious background whatsoever (except being baptized... I have that Xtian "get out of Hell free" card! :)

On Apr 25,[masked]:07 PM, "sheri presloid" <[address removed]> wrote:
That is great, Mark!  

I think with more and more things happening around the world with religion being the focal point of the bad things, there are people who are starting to *question* not only religion, but the god that is attached to that religion.  I think most people think religion is one thing and THEIR god is another.  I think there are three types of these people.  

1.  Very religious.  
2. Will say they were raised this or that, but do not attend church or read the bible; they just live life and don't care.
3.  Non believers who continue the fight to keep separation of church and state and all stuff like that (us).

So, with #2 above (from my experience with people) being most dominant, your coworker was probably one of those and never really gave it thought.  Now, as we experience more and more religious killings, etc. those people are starting to do some research on what the hell is going on with these religious nuts.  

I know that when I did my research, my brain was spinning reading stuff I never thought of before.  Yes, I am a #2 above.

The funny thing is, mine actually started with Marilyn Manson.  The song, Angel with the Scabbed Wings has lyrics that just made me think.  In particular, he states:

He is the maker, he is the taker.  He is the savior, he is the raper.

I thought, "Huh...that is true....", thus, my journey began! ha

Maybe all these horrible tragedies in the name of "god" will open more eyes.




On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote:

A few of us here at work were just talking a bit about the Boston bombings, and how the perpetrators were motivated, at least in part, by "religious fervor'.

One fellow (whom I never thought would blurt such a thing) said, out of the blue, "Religion is a bunch of spooky, dangerous hocus-pocus."

I just said, "Yep." :)





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