Re: [humanism-174] GOP Leaders Court Religious Conservatives At Conference

From: Susan H.
Sent on: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:26 PM
Thanks!


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From: Tim Campbell <[address removed]>
To: humanism-174 <[address removed]>
Sent: Thu, Jun 13,[masked]:29 pm
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] GOP Leaders Court Religious Conservatives At Conference

Barry Goldwater issued this warning. 
Tim
 
 
In a message dated 6/13/2013 4:13:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [address removed] writes:
Well, they've got themselves in a pinch. I can't remember which Republican said it years ago (I'll look it up) but he warned conservatives against courting the evangelical vote---it would destroy the party. 

They didn't listen.

So now they have the problem where they have courted them, and now they have a tiger by the tail.

It didn't occur to them, that if they should welcome them and make them comfortable in the party, that some of them would actually start running and exerting their political power, that in some areas they would even start running the show.

NOW, unless they continue to court 25% of their base, they can't win primaries. Those that can win the primaries will start to lose general elections---especially the presidency. Level-headed Republicans know they have to get control of this, but unfortunately, level-headed Republicans are becoming endangered species. If they continue the course, the party will age and will not be replenished with young voters. 

In fundamental Christian theology, compromise is an evil thing. It's unacceptable to compromise on matters of faith. Wicked. Now that their goal is a theology, they cannot compromise, because it is akin to denying Jesus for them.

Of course, the only thing Jesus had to say on taxes was to--- pay them (Ceasar's things to Ceasar) but somehow they have made taxes a biblical issue. What he had to say about the poor and the hungry was----feed them, but they will tell you that was a personal mandate, and government should not be the instrument through which they feed them. At that point I ask them why then they think government should be the instrument they use to prohibit gay marriage etc. Are those other things not also personal? When they tried to make Jesus a king, he hid. I think that was a pretty strong statement that he wasn't into setting up a government to force others to do things his way . . . 

I often argue in the context of the bible, because while I don't give it much credence, it really irritates me when they twist it around to say whatever they want it to say.

And here is the thing. If they have political views that are opposite to mine, that's good and healthy. It becomes unhealthy when they get it all mixed up religion and claim that Jesus wrote the Constitution. And artist actually painted a picture of that---anyone see it?


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From: Tim Campbell <[address removed]>
To: humanism-174 <[address removed]>
Sent: Thu, Jun 13,[masked]:47 am
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] GOP Leaders Court Religious Conservatives At Conference

The more moderate GOP candidates and incumbents (I may be going out on a limb by presuming that there are such critters!) are trapped by their own greed and ambition.  Our political system was built--not on the instructions of the Christian god--but on a matrix of compromise, cigar smoke, and a veneer of congeniality.  The New Deal exists because FDR was able to massage cooperation out of Southern conservative Dems. LBJ used his own personal political will and the capitol gained from a nation shocked by JFK's assassination in order to pass even more far-reaching social programs. 
 
But the current political base of the GOP will have nothing to do with compromise or cooperation if these necessary elements cost them even an inch of their ideological agenda.  This means a virtually crippled government and likely a doomed GOP.  Next Congressional elections will help to determine if Americans in general want a path toward equality and opportunity and Rule by Law, or a path toward re-criminalization of personal sin, social equality, and re-institutionalizing the hanging of non-Christian heretics!
 
Remember that only 150 or so years ago, a vicious Civil War was fought, in which hundreds of thousands of Americans killed each other over the right of Southern Bible-believing Christian landowners to own people of color.
 
Tim Campbell
 
In a message dated 6/13/[masked]:01:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [address removed] writes:
Every year, they become less relevant. Some Dems have been running on social issues and winning. I guess that in the past, they were hesitant to do so.

So we shall see how this plays out. I don't think the younger generation, who will now be voting, has much tolerance for their insanity.


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From: Greg Priddy <[address removed]>
To: humanism-174 <[address removed]>
Sent: Thu, Jun 13,[masked]:44 am
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] GOP Leaders Court Religious Conservatives At Conference

They need to court them so they don't bolt if/when the GOP 
takes the more moderate stances it will need to take in 
order to win national elections. Whether it's possible to 
court that well is open to debate.

On Thu, 13 Jun[masked]:36:51 -0400
  sheri presloid <[address removed]> wrote:
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/13/faith-and-freedom-coalition-2013_n_3434055.html
> 
> I hope they just "pray" for election wins.  Ugh...




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