RE: [humanism-174] Aha!

From: Marni T.
Sent on: Friday, August 3, 2007 12:51 AM

Todd,

I must say that I agree with your politics! I think we all know, deep down, that a fundamental change is needed. The “system” is in shambles. Freedom, as the Founding Fathers had intended, has been slowly slipping away for 20+ years now.

I don’t think that the government is the sole bad guy though- is the “free” market really free? Corporate entities are now basically writing OUR laws. It’s capitalism run amok. Our despotic administration, most of congress, and most of their political cronies LOVE this… they make lots & lots of money, while the common man continues to get screwed in more and more ways. Some people who are more well-to-do might love corporate-controlled government too- especially the ones who have vested interests in corporations like Exxon Mobil, Halliburton, Dyncorp, big pharmacuticals, Wal-Mart, etc.....

I feel that your statement “religion doesn’t cause wars, government uses religion to create wars” is true in SOME cases- however, I believe that religion, especially organized religion, and worse yet, religion AS government, has caused countless wars and will continue to do so, barring some sort of major “human enlightenment”.

Sorry, can’t finish this email tonight- very tired!

MARK T.

 

 

 


From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Todd Maher
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 12:29 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: RE: [humanism-174] Aha!

 

I would not call another's views blasphemous, for I am not He who judges (or at least I'm not supposed to be). The universal truth that I've been moving toward are that we are put here as a test to see how badly we can mess up. I have probably messed up more than most, but I am optimistic that I will be prepared for death when my time comes.

Do you think about why we think what we do? For example, the whole political propaganda paradigm (right vs. left) and why they are so eager to get us to pick sides? Why we are driven to consume that which we don't need, those things which enslave us to earn the right to own them? I am a free-market, freedom loving individual who believes that government and individuals have been in a struggle from the beginning of time, tugging and pulling (individuals wanting freedom, government pulling us into despotism through rhetoric and propaganda.) Religion doesn't cause wars, government uses religion to create wars, because it burns at the very souls of man. (They sure know how to press our buttons.) Well, I'll respond to any questions or comments I get soon.

Todd

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From: Marni Tiborsky
<[address removed]>Sent: Aug 2, 2007 12:19 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: RE: [humanism-174] Aha!


Todd,

If you click on the “messages” tab on our group meetup site, you can see ALL the dialogue that’s gone on from day one. It’s a good way to see what some of our more active members are like. The majority of us are indeed Atheists & Agnostics- some of the dialogue would probably be considered blasphemy by the very religious. However, for a Freethinker, is there such a thing as blasphemy? I think not!

We’re not looking to convert anyone… and we certainly aren’t looking for anyone to try and convert us. We’re all searching for answers to the universal questions, are we not?

We look forward to your input…

 

Mark

 


From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Todd Maher
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 11:55 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: RE: [humanism-174] Aha!

 

That's cool. Us Libertarians believe that people should worship how they please. I think it's the point of free thinking. Also, we believe that if a group wants to be exclusive, they should be able to keep their group the way they wish.

Regarding your Brahman question, my wife is sleeping right now. We're expecting late December/ early January. I am only as familiar with Buddhism as she has taught me.

When I discuss freethinking ideas, mine are usually along my religious dialogue or my political views, which some call radical, others call extreme. Me, I call them founding father material. Ok, now that I am done being full of myself, we can move on to topic. Sorry for not adding to the conversation, but it was nice to see some of the back and forth amongst the group.


 

 
 
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