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Re: [humanism-174] Science and Theories

From: ken
Sent on: Thursday, August 9, 2007 7:26 PM

I wasn't addressing the validity of Charles' statements.  In fact, I
don't even disagree with them.  My point concerned how an argument
should be addressed.  Since no one seems to be getting that, and since
it's a minor point, it doesn't seem worth talking about anymore.

On 08/09/[masked]:48 PM somebody named Michael wrote:
> Todd and Ken,
> I consider Charles' criticism to be valid for three reasons;
>     * One, the statement, "I do not believe in evolution." is an
>       assertion.  It requires the person saying it to have at the very
>       least an understanding of what Evolution entails, what role it
>       plays in both society, religion, and science, as well as knowing
>       the ramifications of making such a statement.  Making such an
>       assertion challenges the viewpoint of anyone who does believe in
>       the Theory of Evolution, and does not exempt the individual from
>       being challenged in kind.
>     * Two, the Theory of Evolution is the culmination of centuries of
>       the scientific efforts to piece together the great biological,
>       geographic, astronomical, and paleological mysteries of our planet
>       into a (if not simple and gratifying explanation) comprehensive
>       theory on how we and everything around us got here.  To not
>       "believe" in the Theory, it is expected that a rational minded
>       person must have a reason for not believing.  I, and I believe
>       Charles as well, expect that any person who doubts or disbelieves
>       in Evolution would do so for a far greater reason than their own
>       religious inclinations.
>     * Three, we live in a society in which the debate over the teaching
>       of Evolution is dominated by scientifically retarded religious
>       zealots; people who are so inured in their own dogmas they
>       willingly corrupt the very definition and methods of science to
>       support their beliefs.  It is no stretch of the imagination to
>       predict the catastrophic effect their success would have on
>       science and rational thought in this nation.  I will argue that
>       the very nature of science demands any person disbelieving in the
>       Theory should have solid explanation for doing so.  We do not have
>       the luxury of passively ignoring that belief when the
>       repercussions are so great.
> Now, with all that said, I should say that their is a distinction
> between ones belief or lack thereof in Evolution, and the many in which
> they live their lives.  I do not for on second assert that any person
> can be defined as either good or bad, moral or immoral, compassionate or
> heartless, or intelligent or stupid.  The Theory plays a minor role in
> the lives of most people, regardless of their belief in it. 
> What I do believe is that the Theory of Evolution should be treated with
> the same respect, dignity, and understanding as any theological belief
> of creation demands.
> Michael
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