Re: [humanism-174] Science and Theories

From: Becky V.
Sent on: Friday, August 10, 2007 12:25 AM
No one is forcing pork down the throats of Muslim children's throats in public school. What IDers argue for is akin to teaching children that pork doesn't exist.

Which is both silly and conflicts with reality. Like a lot of spiritual beliefs.

BV

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From: Todd Maher <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Thursday, August 9,[masked]:17:54 PM
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Science and Theories

Michael,

This following statement isn't taking into consideration personal choice:

"we live in a society in which the debate over the teaching of Evolution is dominated by scientifically retarded religious zealots; people who are so inured in their own dogmas they willingly corrupt the very definition and methods of science to support their beliefs

We have to remember something: If Muslims don't want their kids eating pork, the children shouldn't be forced to in the absence of their parents. We also shouldn't pay taxes to support a program that would make Muslim children eat pork. If I don't want my children to be enrolled in the DARE program in school, I shouldn't have to send them. And to fully prove the point, I shouldn't be forced to pay taxes to misteach children about the dangers of drugs. If they started teaching sexual education in kintergarten, I probably would be wise not to support such an activity. We are deciding that we know what's best to teach parents' children. Even though some of us in this group think we're enlightened above others, it doesn't give them the right to teach items that conflict with the core of our religious beliefs. I hope I've cleared up some things. I am not about people being able to study evolution, I just don't think that it'd be in my best spiritual interest to advocate forcing people to pay taxes to have teachers teach it to children.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael
Sent: Aug 9,[masked]:48 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Science and Theories

Todd and Ken,

I consider Charles' criticism to be valid for three reasons;
  • One, the statement, "I do not believe in evolution." is an assertion.  It requires the person saying it to have at the very least an understanding of what Evolution entails, what role it plays in both society, religion, and science, as well as knowing the ramifications of making such a statement.  Making such an assertion challenges the viewpoint of anyone who does believe in the Theory of Evolution, and does not exempt the individual from being challenged in kind.
  • Two, the Theory of Evolution is the culmination of centuries of the scientific efforts to piece together the great biological, geographic, astronomical, and paleological mysteries of our planet into a (if not simple and gratifying explanation) comprehensive theory on how we and everything around us got here.  To not "believe" in the Theory, it is expected that a rational minded person must have a reason for not believing.  I, and I believe Charles as well, expect that any person who doubts or disbelieves in Evolution would do so for a far greater reason than their own religious inclinations.
  • Three, we live in a society in which the debate over the teaching of Evolution is dominated by scientifically retarded religious zealots; people who are so inured in their own dogmas they willingly corrupt the very definition and methods of science to support their beliefs.  It is no stretch of the imagination to predict the catastrophic effect their success would have on science and rational thought in this nation.  I will argue that the very nature of science demands any person disbelieving in the Theory should have solid explanation for doing so.  We do not have the luxury of passively ignoring that belief when the repercussions are so great.

Now, with all that said, I should say that their is a distinction between ones belief or lack thereof in Evolution, and the many in which they live their lives.  I do not for on second assert that any person can be defined as either good or bad, moral or immoral, compassionate or heartless, or intelligent or stupid.  The Theory plays a minor role in the lives of most people, regardless of their belief in it. 

What I do believe is that the Theory of Evolution should be treated with the same respect, dignity, and understanding as any theological belief of creation demands.

Michael


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