RE: [humanism-174] definitions of freethinker

From: Marni T.
Sent on: Friday, August 10, 2007 6:33 PM
Ken,
I respectfully disagree- I would love for the Cleveland Freethinkers to
become more than a free-for-all freethought forum, eventually. To achieve
this, we would have do define ourselves at least somewhat. Some sort of
statement of purpose would be useful too. As you remember, we discussed that
very early on, but it fell by the wayside.
So what, if anything, does each of you want to accomplish with the Cleveland
Freethinkers? To meet like-minded people & share ideas & have some fun
outings? To create a "haven" for local religious & political infidels?
Activism? If so, what sort of activism? It would be great if EVERYONE had
some input on this. 
Maybe I have delusions of grandeur, but I believe the time has come for
Freethinkers to have a voice in society (again). There are others doing what
we're doing, to be sure- but all in all, I believe we are a unique group. No
one else in NE Ohio (bar CFI, which seems a different animal) is doing what
we do, at least to my knowledge.
It's awesome to be able to REALLY discuss my beliefs with more people than I
can count on one hand, which was the case for most of my life. Not to
mention that I've learned A HELL of a lot since we started corresponding!

Mark T.  


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ken
Sent: Friday, August 10,[masked]:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [humanism-174] definitions of freethinker


I feel that *any* definition we put on ourselves (and others who might
want to join later) is antithetical to free thinking.


On 08/09/[masked]:42 PM somebody named Todd Maher wrote:
> Does it have to be religious? Free thinkers I thought, were just as the
> words state. Free thinkers are free to think whatever they wish, host
> their own opinions, possibly change them, keep some, but learn together.
> The religion part is the least interesting to me. I am a free thinker
> when it comes to corruption, current events and coincidences. The
> religion thing will never be solved, since we will never know everything
> and we are entrusting our opinions in people, be it scientists, to use a
> set of methods that we constructed, to explain the world. I'd rather
> bitch about politics and conspiracy.
> 
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Marni Tiborsky
>     Sent: Aug 9,[masked]:38 PM
>     To: [address removed]
>     Subject: [humanism-174] definitions of freethinker
> 
>     Hey all,
> 
>     At our July meetup, we briefly discussed finding a definition of
>     "Freethinker" that would best suit our group.
> 
>      
> 
>     Webster's New World Dictionary, 1990 Edition: 'One who forms his
>     opinions about religion independently.' (a little vague, maybe?)
> 
>      
> 
>     Here's a better one: *freethinker* n. One who has rejected authority
>     and dogma, especially in his religious thinking, in favor of
>     rational inquiry and speculation.
> 
>     -The American Heritage Dictionary
> 
>      
> 
>     And another, from Merriam-Webster online:
> 
>     one who forms opinions on the basis of reason independently of
>     authority; /especially/ **:** one who doubts or denies religious dogma
> 
>      
> 
>     But wait, there's this also, from Cambridge online: someone who
>     forms their own opinions and beliefs, especially about religion or
>     politics, rather than just accepting what is officially or commonly
>     believed and taught
> 
>      
> 
>     And then there's good ol' wiki: *Freethought* is a philosophical
>     <http://en.wikiped...;­ viewpoint that holds that
>     beliefs <http://en.wikiped...;­ should be formed on
>     the basis of science <http://en.wikiped...;­ and
>     logical <http://en.wikiped...;­ principles and not be
>     compromised by authority <http://en.wikiped...;­,
>     tradition <http://en.wikiped...;­, or any other
>     dogma <http://en.wikiped...;­. The cognitive
>     application of freethought is known as /freethinking/, and
>     practitioners of freethought are known as /freethinkers/
> 
>     / /
> 
>     ???
> 
>     MARK
> 
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