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RE: [humanism-174] ?

From: Marni H.
Sent on: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:25 AM

Good points, Michael- though the first four commandments are so meaningless for me, I would still have to say ‘meaningless’ to that.

The swearing on the Bible thing is a whole different matter. If I was ever in the position to have to do that, I would have to say, “Sir, the Bible has no special meaning for me… it’s just a book, and swearing on the Bible would be no guarantee of my speaking the truth. So could we use a copy of the Constitution or something?”

 

Mark

 


From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:13 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: RE: [humanism-174] ?

 

I personally don't care if people place religious ornamentations on public property, so long as it is attractive and inoffensive.  Nativity scenes?  Sure, go ahead. 

The Ten Commandments in a courtroom is a whole other discussion.  Placing your hand on a bible as a declaration of your honesty, with the ten commandments hanging on the wall, now that reeks of religiosity.  And think of the first four commandments:
    - Thou shalt have no other gods before me
    - Thou shalt not make for thyself an idol
    - Thou shalt not make wrongful use of the name of thy God
    - Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy

And now this one:
    - Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or        
      prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

It's kind of hard to make no laws respecting and establishment of religion when you uphold those laws with a bible, under a tablet demanding that no other gods be allowed.  Public display is one thing.  But to imbue our legal system with religious nonsense, that's unconstitutional. 

Michael

Marni Tiborsky <[address removed]>
wrote:

Oh man, I’m still laughing my ass off!!! (youtube thing)

 

To me, a Christmas nativity scene is the same as a Santa & his Sleigh scene- just a traditional sort of Christmas display. Therefore I would say it was meaningless. The same would go for the Ten Commandments in a courtroom- it’s merely a decoration.

That said, I’m sure there would be other instances that I might consider a menace.

 

Mark

 


From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:38 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] ?

 

Public property?  You mean the property I pay my taxes to hold and maintain?

MENACE!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw

Marni Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote:

Ahhh… PEACE, brothers & sisters!!!

 

I have a question for you to ponder, something I briefly brought up at the July meetup. Hopefully, this question will bring some differing viewpoints, but not spawn Armageddon….

 

The question is….. Religious displays on public property- meaningless or menace?????

 

Mark T.





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