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Re: [humanism-174] Abortion: Murder, Compassion, or Convenience?

From: An Unknown K.
Sent on: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:28 AM
That doesn't work because a man contributes and that's it. The mothers body become a slave to what's growing in her belly. Have you been around a pregnant woman? They are tired, drained and fatigued and I said the same thing to emphasize what they're going through. So no it's up to her. All I gave were swimmies. :)

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From: MichaelV <[address removed]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun[masked]:22:05 -0400
To: <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Abortion: Murder, Compassion, or Convenience?

Now, this is going to piss some people off,

Women should be entitled to only 60% of the decision making in the case of abortion.  23 of your chromosomes and your womb vs. 23 of my chromosomes; if you don't want the kid, I do.  If you get an abortion when there is no threat to the child's or your life, then congratulations!  You have just committed a murder of convenience.  If you didn't want to find yourself in that situation, then I have to point out that you were a willing and equal participant in the sex we had- you share an equal burden of responsibility of the consequences.

Oh, obviously I excused rape, incest, and any other non-consensual situations from my statement.

Michael


From: Marian <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Friday, June 19,[masked]:07:35 AM
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Abortion: Murder, Compassion, or Convenience?

Mother Nature herself, (god) has no trouble killing babies.  Looking at all the miscarriages which occur, many of which are defective fetuses, which could imply that god herself takes care of the job frequently.
 
I have more respect for a woman who has an abortion after an accidental or unplanned pregnancy than one who simply says, oh well, what can I do, and then has a baby she doesn't really want and/or is ill-prepared to care for.  Being pregnant when you don't want to be is horrible, and the proactive thing to do is to stop it.  Women are much more empowered by getting an abortion than just letting what has happened to them continue.  As far as saying that adoption is the only answer, this would put women in the position of having babies for others who cannot.  This is a form of slavery that we do not want to get into.  A good read on this is A Handmaid's Tale. 
 
A mistake should not be punishable by a 20 year sentence.
 
Marian
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Michael <[address removed]> wrote:
What I don't understand is this concept of life begins at birth. Their stupid bible says NOTHING about this. There's actually a great debate about this on John Loftus's website Debunking Christianity. (He's the former evangelical minister) I think that you should all check out
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From: Ginger
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Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Abortion: Murder, Compassion, or Convenience?
Sent: Jun 19,[masked]:38 AM


I think relying on abortion as a primary source of birth control is stupid, but not immoral. If you think it is immoral, please explain why.

As for convenience you are implying that if a person finds having a baby "inconvenient" that they are not making the decision out of compassion to the baby. I argue yes they are, in addition to convenience to themselves, which must be part of the equation.

All in all, I don't find any moral problem with abortion for any reason with or without apology. If the embryo/fetus is far along that it may feel pain, administer pain relief. If something has no sense of future, then I don't feel it's morally wrong to kill it.

--- On Fri, 6/19/09, MichaelV <[address removed]> wrote:

> From: MichaelV <[address removed]>
> Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Abortion: Murder, Compassion, or Convenience?
> To: [address removed]
> Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 10:06 AM
> Not to pry too deeply, but I
> assume you do use at least one form of birth control when
> necessary? 
>
> And I think that the convenience factor must necessarily be
> distinct from the compassion factor: I used that term like
> many pro-lifers tend to use it: as a pejorative.
>
> Michael




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