Re: [humanism-174] Abortion: Murder, Compassion, or Convenience?

From: Miguel
Sent on: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:48 AM
Why? That makes no sense. Your argument is that he gave seed. So? I refer to my earlier point concerning internal care taking

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From: MichaelV <[address removed]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun[masked]:42:50 -0400
To: <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Abortion: Murder, Compassion, or Convenience?

Yes!  It is his child as well.  50% of that kid belongs to him.  Yes she should, she should mention it, and he has every right to try to veto her decision.

Michael


From: Ed <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Friday, June 19,[masked]:23:53 AM
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Abortion: Murder, Compassion, or Convenience?

Does a woman seeking an abortion have any moral obligation to the male who helped create the fetus? Should she tell him she is pregnant? Should she tell him she is having an abortion? Is it immoral not to say a word to them?

Michael wrote:
The main issue is the deception. The abortion is a red herring. The crux of it is she lied which is detrimental to human harmony ergo immoral.

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From: Ed
Date: Fri, 19 Jun[masked]:12:52 -0400
To: <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Abortion: Murder, Compassion, or Convenience?
Is that true for both the male and female?

For example, if a woman claims to be on the pill but really isn't and plans to just get an abortion if she gets pregnant, is that immoral? Why?

Michael wrote:
Yes because another party was deceived and the harm that could result from that deception is not acceptable.

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From: Ed
Date: Fri, 19 Jun[masked]:05:05 -0400
To: <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Abortion: Murder, Compassion, or Convenience?
A couple is about to have sex. Is it immoral if either partner lies about any BC measures they are using?



Ginger wrote:
I think relying on abortion as a primary source of birth control is stupid, but not immoral. If you think it is immoral, please explain why.  As for convenience you are implying that if a person finds having a baby "inconvenient" that they are not making the decision out of compassion to the baby. I argue yes they are, in addition to convenience to themselves, which must be part of the equation.  All in all, I don't find any moral problem with abortion for any reason with or without apology. If the embryo/fetus is far along that it may feel pain, administer pain relief. If something has no sense of future, then I don't feel it's morally wrong to kill it.  --- On Fri, 6/19/09, MichaelV <[address removed]> wrote:    
From: MichaelV <[address removed]> Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Abortion: Murder, Compassion, or Convenience? To: [address removed] Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 10:06 AM Not to pry too deeply, but I assume you do use at least one form of birth control when necessary?    And I think that the convenience factor must necessarily be distinct from the compassion factor: I used that term like many pro-lifers tend to use it: as a pejorative.  Michael     
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