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Re: [humanism-174] Atheists "invade" CPAC

From: Susan H.
Sent on: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:05 AM
I know someone like her. He's an atheist but also a libertarian. Traditionally he is a Christian--Christmas etc. He doesn't feel strongly about his atheism. Anyway, he is really stuck on tradition and sees liberals as destroying our Christian culture too. It's very strange having a discussion with him. It's like he thinks his atheism is fine for him, but we shouldn't say anything when tax dollars are used to fund religious endeavors, (although I think if he had his true wish, there wouldn't be any money for that kind of thing.) That makes us militant, and also, there is a War on Christmas.

Another libertarian I know shared a psychological study of liberals and conservatives, for whatever that is worth. And it would seem that liberals value fairness and justice over tradition and certain personal freedoms in a big way, whereas conservatives (and many libertarians I know) value tradition the same as fairness and justice. Which could be why they are willing to let tradition trump and personal freedom other important values. They believe that change should come slowly, naturally, and voluntarily,  with respect to the old ways---

I don't know if there is anything to it, but it rang with me. The point I made was that justice and fairness were so important to me, that I don't think Jim Crow or Slavery should have lasted one extra day in favor of tradition and that I found such an idea repulsive--as a liberal would.

I have had four Libertarians (three atheists and one sort of believer) make the argument to me that the government went too far with Civil Rights. They argue that while it was appropriate to take government out of the equation, it was a violation of civil rights to force businesses and private citizens not to discriminate. What they argue with me is that people would have come around---eventually---and that the transition would have been more complete. This makes my head want to explode. The idea they would wait for people's hearts to change, all the time allowing a significant portion of our people to be oppressed and abused, perhaps not by government, but certainly by businesses. So it was explained to me that as a liberal, I may never understand the reasoning. LOL. That may true, but it's also true that I really don't want to.

Of those libertarians, they tend to make arguments against forcing cultural change in favor of letting people come to those changes more naturally---they don't believe people should be regulated that way.  And of course, true conservatives believe that everyone should be regulated as long as it's their way.

She strikes me as that kind of atheist.

Susan




-----Original Message-----
From: Chris K <[address removed]>
To: humanism-174 <[address removed]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25,[masked]:19 pm
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Atheists "invade" CPAC

I don't believe she's an atheist. 


Sent from my aaaarrrrrphone

On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:36 PM, Susan Haywood <[address removed]> wrote:

atheist S.E. Cupp, who wrote a book on how secular libruls are undermining our "Christian heritage".


I never understood her.

Susan

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]>
To: humanism-174 <[address removed]>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25,[masked]:21 pm
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Atheists "invade" CPAC

Haha, so it is! I checked out the map- diagonal from the AA booth is "American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property (TFP) is an organization of lay Catholic Americans concerned about the moral crisis shaking the remnants of Christian civilization."
If there was an "Atheists Against a Secular America" there would be at least one true adherent! FOX News (supposed) atheist S.E. Cupp, who wrote a book on how secular libruls are undermining our "Christian heritage".
On Feb 25,[masked]:35 PM, "David" <[address removed]> wrote:
I believe the booth is next to the RNC table, so right at the heart of
the action. It is amusing. What remains to be seen is are they serious
or do they plan to merely have fun with it. I actually hope the latter,
as that could give some good YouTube video. Please keep us posted if any
good vids come out of it.

There used to be an organization tried to do the same thing to the far
left, though as a joke, not serious outreach. Many years ago they
managed to get a booth the Green Party national convention with a booth
for a pseudo-organization called "Progressives against progress" and had
fun with the convention participants.

David.




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