Re: [humanism-174] Death Penalty

From: user 7.
Sent on: Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:15 PM
I never liked the death penalty.�� Not because I think these people deserve a second chance or that two wrongs don't make a right or even the whole moral issue.�� No.�� I think the death penalty is wrong because I think we ought to put these sick bastards to work.�� Coal mines are really dangerous after all and wouldn't be nice to not have to worry about whether or not��the miners make it out alive next time there's a cave in?�� Seriously.�� And whatever money they would normally earn for their work would go to paying for their room and board with the rest going to their victims or victims families.�� I am just sick to the teeth of these guys sitting around playing in the gym and watching cable tee vee that I pay for.�� I can't even afford to have internet at home!�� It is, pardon my english, utter bullshit.�� I vote we go back to bread and water and hard labor.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Michael <[address removed]> wrote:
In Canada and Britain they have taken extra measures to ensure that innocent people don't get convicted whereas here the minute a cop's "gut" tells him a person is guilty, it's hard to put the syrup back in the bottle

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From: Suzanne
Date: Fri, 19 Jun[masked]:55:03 -0400

To: <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Death Penalty

Once I found out that it costs less to house and feed these people than to kill them, I decided maybe the death penalty wasn't such a good idea after all.��

I also have concerns about the fallibility of a system which, as we have seen with advances in DNA technology, occasionally condemns innocent people.

So, while it may be more satisfying emotionally to put these people to death for their crimes, perhaps it is better over all for society to jail them for life without possibility of parole.

Perhaps they will mend their ways and do some good in prison.�� Perhaps they will later be exonerated by DNA.�� Or perhaps they will spend the rest of their lives suffering for what they did.

Doesn't really matter to me which if the money which would otherwise be spent on appeals can be used for health care reform, education, welfare-to-work programs, etc.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote:
I am so divided on this issue- I have always been like that. It's like I'm permanently in both states, like Schrodinger's Cat or something.
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I favor draconian punishments for violent crime. And I do believe in the second chance in most cases, but not the 3rd or 4th or 5th.
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So for the most heinous of violent crimes, the death penalty is a fitting punishment... or is it? Is rotting away in prison for the rest of��the violent criminal's��life a better form of vengeance for the family & friends of the victim?
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For some particularly heartless murderers, serving life in prison seems too��mild a punishment. Torture is definitely primitive and NOT RIGHT... that leaves capital punishment. Is it better to rid the earth of such inhuman scum, or have them live out the rest of their days under a total loss of freedom?

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Michael <[address removed]> wrote:
I agree with you completely marian

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From: Marian
Date: Thu, 18 Jun[masked]:45:22 -0400

To: <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Death Penalty

The offender is not being rational.�� He is on drugs, had a bad childhood, was abused, has bad genes, is a sociopath (a personality disorder out of his control) whatever.��
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The state is rational, or so we would hope.�� So what is the state's excuse for stooping to the same behavior of killing someone.��
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I understand that victims' families do want revenge.�� I would if it happened to me.��
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But rationally, I do not see any good coming from capital punishment.��
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Marian

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Michael <[address removed]> wrote:
But what use is it? Why not spend more money on prevention and detection? Also again executions cost more money! There is only a subjective reason to take a life. When will we be better than Saudi Arabia?

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From: Don Boos
Date: Thu, 18 Jun[masked]:20:35 -0400
To: <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Death Penalty

The death penalty prevents the offender from repeating his crime. I think the death penalty should be reserved for repeat offenders (serial killers and multiple killings.) It should require an absolute proof of guilt to prevent executing an innocent person.

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Michael <[address removed]> wrote:
My girl and I are on opposite sided because our friend was murdered and she believe they should. Eye for an eye is her logic *sigh* I believe we should take the moral high ground and show mercy. We are the civilized country with a death penalty, a barbaric institution that actually costs the taxpayers MORE money than locking them away for the rest of their days. Furthermore, the death penalty has been shown time and time again to not prevent murders. It's state sanctioned revenge and I don't want a part in it though I do understand why people like it.
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