Re: [humanism-174] Fox News’ “War on Christianity”: How right-wing hacks created a sect of victims

From: Susan H.
Sent on: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:45 AM
LOL--exactly. The teacher would have to explain that it was named Christmas when Christians co-opted Saturnalia (as they co-opt everything and call it theirs), and was a effort to Christianize a ;mass of smaller pagan winter festivals that took place all over Europe for thousands of years before the birth of the man that is now being celebrated.

They also co-opted Pine trees, tinsel and reindeers.

Somebody tried to parrot FOX with me and groaned that they risked imprisonment if they even read their bible. I was absolutely floored. Somehow, while they put signs up in their windows about Christ, get tax exemption, pass churches every 2 minutes (where I live--I even went on a walk to take pictures of how many there are), living in a country that is completely decorated, shore to shore, every year for Christmas, a country where members of congress read the bible on the meeting floor and municipalities open their meetings with prayer, along with with the President's prayer breakfast and making his oath of office on a bible, and they concluded and really somehow believe, that reading the bible will get them a prison sentence.

Yes, I did point to all of this evidence to help this person reconsider their reality.

Like all things of faith, the evidence didn't make a deep impact. However, on further discussion, what they are really complaining about is that there are more outspoken people that don't agree with them. Why can't they just be quiet and toe the line?

And that's how it feels when losing privilege. It feels like persecution.


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From: Sam Salerno <[address removed]>
To: humanism-174 <[address removed]>
Sent: Tue, Jul 29,[masked]:14 pm
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Fox News’ “War on Christianity”: How right-wing hacks created a sect of victims

Yeah, Reagan. The one who said that “evolution is just a theory.” And of course everyone knows the reason for Christmas is the Winter Solstice.

On Jul 29, 2014, at 10:04 PM, Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote:

A reference to the "war on Christmas", 30 years ago right from the mouth of President Ronald Reagan-
"Our coins bear the words 'In God We Trust.' We take the oath of office asking his help in keeping that oath. And we proclaim that we are a Nation under God when we pledge allegiance to the flag. But we can't mention his name in a public school or even sing religious hymns that are non-denominational. Christmas can be celebrated in the school room with pine trees, tinsel and reindeers but there must be no mention of the Man whose birthday is being celebrated. One wonders how a teacher would answer if a student asked why it was called Christmas."
On Jul 29,[masked]:45 PM, "Mark Tiborsky" <[address removed]> wrote:
I would agree with the article in that FOX News types have been chief perpetuators of anti-secular hysteria in recent years, but I don't see how they "created" anything. The foundation for the conservative "godless threatening our way of life" narrative was laid long ago.
Also, perhaps the "war on Christianity" is not entirely a myth, but nor is it at all like FOX News etc portrays it. For the past decade or so there has been a concerted effort to swat down religious ideas, along with presenting the atheistic viewpoint. Not by any "secular librul conspiracy", as some claim, but rather the concerted effort has more or less self-assembled for a number of reasons (more coming "out of the closet", more opposition to govt intrusion by religion, more simply having doubts about religion, etc).
But of course, claims of persecution are a convenient way to exempt themselves from having to mount a decent argument in support of their religious ideas!




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