Re: [humanism-174] Does Maher deserve the AAI Dawkins award?

From: user 9.
Sent on: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:44 AM
Josh, The line about "there is money to be made" refers to the fact that that drugs are pushed into consumption before they are tested properly. I found out about a replacement drug for amiodarone with less side effects that I wanted to try that was officially put on the market and my cardiologist warned me about how limited the testing is on new drugs. Thats when I read up on cliical trials. He didnt want his patients to be guinea pigs. This is a respected cardiologist from Cleveland Clinic. The point about my grandmother hints in its implication that perhaps we are all being over medicated.The health care industry urgently needs reform and controls set up to regulate that Doctors are not receiving incentives to push drugs on patients. If you have months to live and want to try (by consent) an experimental drug thats fine. Im learning alot of this through personal experience. Im not here to win debating points. You didnt say anything about PETA?  Randall
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> So what?  There's money to be made in a lot of things.  That has no bearing on something's truth-value or efficacy.  
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> "My grandmother had a bad heart and took an aspirin once a day and lived to be 
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> I'm not sure I understand your point about your grandmother.  How do you know it was the one aspirin a day that made your grandmother live to ninety?  
> It could have been her diet or her lifestyle or any number of things.
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> Subject: Re: [humanism-174] Does Maher deserve the AAI Dawkins award?
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> I have winced at some things he has said in regard to medicine. I think some of 
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> this has to do with his aversion to the health care industry. He has a point to 
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> some degree about scientifically validated medicines as Im finding out. I was 
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> given amiodarone for my heart and the amiodarone affected my thyroid so they put 
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> me on methimazole which has made me a zombie and is causing other problems. 
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> These are officially sanctioned meds which are routinely prescribed. Im have 
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> use by people. We are essentially lab rats if you consider the short time 
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> periods and limited testing that goes on in trials. There is money to be made! 
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> My grandmother had a bad heart and took an aspirin once a day and lived to be 
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> ninety. It does give one pause!  Whats wrong with PETA?  I want some militancy 
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> in defending animals! As for awards they are bullshit anyway............Ra­ndall
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> > The Richard Dawkins Award will be given every year to honor an
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> > outstanding atheist whose contributions raise public awareness of the
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> an in- depth look into Maher's anti-scientific views.? These facts about Maher 
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