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Re: [humanism-174] the death of my sister - Thanks everyone. I lost my brother in 03. I knew this was coming, it was only a matter of time. It still sucks Chris K Jan 16, 2014 7:27 PM
Re: [humanism-174] the death of my sister - I understand how it feels to lose a sibling, Chris. I share your sadness. Hang in there. Joanna Joanna Jan 16, 2014 7:15 PM
Re: [humanism-174] the death of my sister - Chris, On behalf of your freethinkers family, I offer you & yours our deepest sympathies. On Jan 16,[masked]:03 PM, "Chris K" < chriskraska@ Mark T. Jan 16, 2014 7:14 PM
Re: [humanism-174] the death of my sister - Chris, I am so sorry. If there's anything we can do please let us know. Marni On Jan 16,[masked]:03 PM, "Chris K" < [address removed] Marni H. Jan 16, 2014 7:09 PM
Re: [humanism-174] the death of my sister - Preview not available Conrad B. Jan 16, 2014 7:07 PM
the death of my sister - I received a phone call this morning at work that my 52-year-old sister had passed away unexpectedly. I have to drive to Indiana tomorrow and try to pick up the pieces of her life. She was a bit of a hoarder and her husband is inconsolable and frankl Chris K Jan 16, 2014 7:03 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - Preview not available Sam S. Jan 16, 2014 5:19 PM
Re: [humanism-174] UN panel confronts Vatican on child sex abuse by clergy - Preview not available Sam S. Jan 16, 2014 5:15 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Free Will Isn't - Tim C. Jan 16, 2014 4:53 PM
Re: Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - Preview not available Conrad B. Jan 16, 2014 4:30 PM
Re: Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - One of the things I find most interesting about the free will debate is how tenaciously most Glen Jan 16, 2014 4:17 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Evolution is not a matter of belief: Column - Yes SO true about how those pesky meanings of words can be very different in different people’s minds.& Russell S. Jan 16, 2014 4:05 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Free Will Isn't - Glenn, Actually I agree completely.  My example was Illustrative of why people believe they have free will, it's because they can handle a similar situation if various ways and get different results.  The next time th Ray V Jan 16, 2014 4:03 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Free Will Isn't - Very well said Glen. Randy P. Jan 16, 2014 3:35 PM
Free Will Isn't - Ray write: Glen Jan 16, 2014 3:09 PM
Re: Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - Great writing, Glen! Just an FYI; I copied that phrase from the link I supplied (I think it was the same link.)   If we have a soul, why do we need a brain?  Good info! :) sheri p. Jan 16, 2014 2:25 PM
Re: Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - " Randy P. Jan 16, 2014 2:03 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Landlord wants to find Christian tenants without breaking laws - It's a la w that's easily side-stepped. People can home school or send their kids to private indoctrination centers. Judges have also found in favor of diversity over the education of chil Susan H. Jan 16, 2014 1:59 PM
Re: Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - Sheri wrote: Glen Jan 16, 2014 1:50 PM
Re: [humanism-174] UN panel confronts Vatican on child sex abuse by clergy - Sam, just to add salt to the wound, this is the site to the Vatican's news: http://www.news.va/en/news/arc­hbishop-tomasi-on-the-ho sheri p. Jan 16, 2014 12:41 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Evolution is not a matter of belief: Column - We'll said Randy. Sent from my iPad On Jan 16, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Randy Pelton < pelt Sam S. Jan 16, 2014 12:19 PM
Re: [humanism-174] UN panel confronts Vatican on child sex abuse by clergy - Agreed Sheri. It's disgusting. I argued with my Catholic family at how they can continue to support the Catholic Church when they know these kinds Sam S. Jan 16, 2014 12:13 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Evolution is not a matter of belief: Column - David wrote: " Randy P. Jan 16, 2014 12:10 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Evolution is not a matter of belief: Column - David wrote: " Randy P. Jan 16, 2014 11:55 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Ex-Calif. pastor tries atheism for 2014, gets dropped by 3... - Tim C. Jan 16, 2014 11:28 AM
UN panel confronts Vatican on child sex abuse by clergy - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/worl­d-europe-25748952 This is just pure bullshit!  The answers given by the Vatican is a joke.  When all is said and done, I h sheri p. Jan 16, 2014 11:05 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 2:38 AM, Jerry Cernava  < Ray V Jan 16, 2014 9:32 AM
A Year Without God -[masked] - http://yearwithoutgod.com/2014­/01/15/so-really-what-differen­ce-does-god-make/#more-87 I don't thin sheri p. Jan 16, 2014 9:06 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Landlord wants to find Christian tenants without breaking laws - Wow, Glen!  That is crazy!  I have to wonder though.... Again; I have no kids, but don't you have to register your children in school?  It is THE LAW, right?  I would be curious to know how th sheri p. Jan 16, 2014 8:54 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - I would have to weigh in on the side of the neurological scientists (Sam Harris, Steven Pinker, David Eagleman and others) that free will is an illusion. Free will seems to be a misnomer. A fuzzy concept that hadn't been thought through before it's Jerry C. Jan 16, 2014 2:38 AM
Italian dog finds comfort in church - Of course, the logical explanation is that this is probably the last place the dog saw his owner, but religious people won't see it that way... http://blog.petflow.com/this-d­ogs-human-passed-away-what-hap­pened-next-is-unbelievable/ Linas K M. Jan 15, 2014 11:51 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - We certainly make choices, but as Ray p Matt Jan 15, 2014 11:00 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 8 Ray V Jan 15, 2014 9:04 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Sam Salerno < [address removed] > wrote: Ray V Jan 15, 2014 8:22 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - (Haven't had time to watch the videos, will do that later this weekend...) Actually the claim of believing free will due to not having a choice is not all that extraordinary: If free will doesn't exist then you have no choice, obviously. To say David Jan 15, 2014 8:08 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Landlord wants to find Christian tenants without breaking laws - LOL. Cars are evil but not vans. I used to bump into Brethren when I did the door-2-door gig in Medina (along with Amish and Mennonite.) They were always warm and friendly, pre Susan H. Jan 15, 2014 7:22 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Ex-Calif. pastor tries atheism for 2014, gets dropped by 3 Christian employers - Preview not available Conrad B. Jan 15, 2014 7:12 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Ex-Calif. pastor tries atheism for 2014, gets dropped by 3 Christian employers - Hell no. He can build a new community and network, and find work and support that way. No one in my life starves, but he's not in my life. (that doesn't mean I wouldn't give to someone I Susan H. Jan 15, 2014 7:01 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Ex-Calif. pastor tries atheism for 2014, gets dropped by 3 Christian employers - I loo ked at the second link, and it appears he is going to try and 'suspend belief' for a year. Tricky, but I kind of get his point. See what happens when instead of praying, you do somet Susan H. Jan 15, 2014 6:58 PM
Re: Re: [humanism-174] Ex-Calif. pastor tries atheism for 2014, gets dropped by 3 Christian employers - Preview not available Conrad B. Jan 15, 2014 6:54 PM
Re: Re: [humanism-174] Ex-Calif. pastor tries atheism for 2014, gets dropped by 3 Christian employers - I had the same thought. It is not like we have specified rules! In fact we live like evryone else. We just dont count on magic beings for assistance! Tim -----Original Message----- From: [address removed] To: humanism-174 Tim C. Jan 15, 2014 6:51 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Ex-Calif. pastor tries atheism for 2014, gets dropped by 3 Christian employers - In teresting story. I'm not sure I understand his premise. Like, how you can 'try' atheism. Because if he believes there is a god, then he's not an atheist. If he doesn't believe there is a god or th Susan H. Jan 15, 2014 6:36 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - Preview not available Sam S. Jan 15, 2014 5:38 PM
Re: Re: [humanism-174] Landlord wants to find Christian tenants without breaking laws - Wow! I didn't realize there were any groups like that in our area. On Jan 15,[masked]:53 PM, "Glen" < [address removed] > wrote: Mark T. Jan 15, 2014 5:25 PM
Re: Re: [humanism-174] Landlord wants to find Christian tenants without breaking laws - I can add some observations about the so-called Grayton Rd "church," and answer the question Glen Jan 15, 2014 4:53 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - Preview not available Conrad B. Jan 15, 2014 3:35 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - Preview not available sheri p. Jan 15, 2014 3:05 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - I think that is where it gets deep, Mark.  Just like debating "God? or No God?"  You cannot prove nor disprove a god.   So, what happens next?  Let's debate The Big Bang.  Does Gravity exist?  Did Jesus real sheri p. Jan 15, 2014 2:54 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - Here is my little example of why people think they have free will: Monday I wake up in a bad mood and go into work and yell and scowl at people.  They in return are unfriendly and rude to me. Tuesday I feel go Ray V Jan 15, 2014 2:46 PM
Re: Ex-Calif. pastor tries atheism for 2014, gets dropped by 3 Christian employers - Okay - I am at his site.  He is from Parma!  Does anyone know him??? http://yearwithoutgod.com/2013­/12/31/a-year-wit sheri p. Jan 15, 2014 2:35 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - I probably don't understand this stuff, but what Conrad said got me thinking. Say it's almost time for lunch, and there are 2 readily available lunch foods to choose from- in my fridge is a pound of fresh baloney, an Mark T. Jan 15, 2014 2:34 PM
Re: Ex-Calif. pastor tries atheism for 2014, gets dropped by 3 Christian employers - I think this link might be better: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/­2014/01/08/pastor-learns-the-p­rice-of-atheism/?hpt=hp_c3 sheri p. Jan 15, 2014 1:44 PM
Ex-Calif. pastor tries atheism for 2014, gets dropped by 3 Christian employers - http://www.nydailynews.com/lif­e-style/ex-pastor-loses-jobs-p­roclaiming-ll-atheism-article-­1.1571520 sheri p. Jan 15, 2014 1:43 PM
Atheist Afghan granted religious asylum in UK - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-2­5715736 Linas K M. Jan 15, 2014 1:37 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - I'm with you, Sam.  The brain and "free will" is just so complicated.   I used to sleep walk as a child.  I would literally walk out of my house and up to the main road.  I dream every night and remember eve sheri p. Jan 15, 2014 1:14 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - There are people way more qualified than I am to debate Mr. Harris. However I do have a couple of things to question him on. BTW. Jerry Coyne is in Sam S. Jan 15, 2014 12:47 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - I agree with everything you said about Sam H. But the mind is quite complicated and I personally cannot settle on his arguments yet. I have chosen Sam S. Jan 15, 2014 12:39 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Sam Salerno  < Ray V Jan 15, 2014 12:18 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - The debate is resolved in my mind.  Now whether there is only one single possible future or an infinite number I have no idea but that has no impact on the free will question.  Free will is an illusion, a byproduct of the Human brain much l Ray V Jan 15, 2014 12:14 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - One thing is for sure we can only make decisions within the parameters of our life. In other words we can't decide to hop on a bus on the other sid Sam S. Jan 15, 2014 12:08 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - When I first watched Sam Harris' video, I had to rewind it. It was so thought provoking for me. I found it quite intriguing. This is my favorite: sheri p. Jan 15, 2014 11:58 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - Sam really crystallized it.  The problem is just a matter of how we think about free will. In a nutshell as I understand it: A: I have free will B: Why did you chose to do X? Ray V Jan 15, 2014 11:44 AM
Siri's Religious Beliefs - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/­2014/01/14/siri-religious-beli­efs-iphone_n_4590708.html This was pretty good!   sheri p. Jan 15, 2014 9:48 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - This video from Sam Harris is one of my favorites: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v­=pCofmZlC72g sheri p. Jan 15, 2014 9:02 AM
No Borg Here - Preview not available Conrad B. Jan 15, 2014 8:57 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - Too complicated for my little brain.I like the K.I.S.S. Principle.Let me see,chicken or ribs?Have fun. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Mike <[address removed]> Sender: Conrad B. Jan 15, 2014 8:55 AM
A little humor for Hump Day-hahaha - sheri p. Jan 15, 2014 8:50 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - I believe that as consciousness evolved and continues to evolve,we became aware of free will. Most living things will follow the path that they cho Mike Jan 15, 2014 8:40 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - Tim C. Jan 15, 2014 12:21 AM
OpenSecrets.org: Money in Politics -- See Who's Giving & Who's Getting - Preview not available Sam S. Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: Richard Dawkins Dinner in the Heart of Texas - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v­=dy8Yy9nyi74 Dawkins is great when he does science! Mike S Mike Jan 14, 2014 9:36 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - An extraordinary claim! Mike S On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:21 PM, Ray V < rayvalenti@ Mike Jan 14, 2014 9:32 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - It would be cheaper to buy a used copy of http://www.amazon.com/Objectiv­e-Knowledge Mike Jan 14, 2014 9:29 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - Of course I believe in free will, I have no choice. Ray Valenti On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Mike < Ray V Jan 14, 2014 9:21 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - The text of the lecture.  http://www.scribd.com/doc/8334­7181/Karl-Popper-Of-Clouds-and­-Clocks Mike S Mike Jan 14, 2014 9:19 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - David, The late Karl Popper holds forth on this.  http://www.mcps.umn.edu/assets­/pdf/4.12.1_Meehl.pdf I have read many essays on b Mike Jan 14, 2014 9:14 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of Free Will - Have to run, jump in the shower, have a friend dropping by but I just recently watched Stephen Hawking's Grand Design and it delved into that question!!!! On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:06 PM, David wrote: > Here's a questio Linas K M. Jan 14, 2014 9:10 PM
Question of Free Will - Here's a question I did actually discuss with someone, not a dude I heard on the radio. I'm curious to hear the opinions of folks on this group. Question is: does free will exist, and how? This is an gross oversimplification, but our discussion so David Jan 14, 2014 9:06 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Evolution is not a matter of belief: Column - About debating the guy: It was some dude I heard on the radio, not someone I debated in person. The reason why religion's negatives don't impact me is not possible to explain in a short e-mail. Best I can offer is to read the discourses of Epictet David Jan 14, 2014 8:25 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Evolution is not a matter of belief: Column - I haven't followed this thread. I try to always say that I accept Evolution. I avoid the word believe when speaking of science, because I disdain the idea that science is jut like religion, o Susan H. Jan 14, 2014 8:25 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Evolution is not a matter of belief: Column - Tim, So, now you limit the word "belief" to scientific contexts.  Still, you make no cogent argument against my claim that it is common usage, and, therefore okay for me to say, " I believe that the the Mike Jan 14, 2014 8:15 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Portions of the ten commandments may be unconstitutional!! - In the end the verdict may very we'll go against reason. But how many more citizens would you have asking themselves,where is the proof? Sen Mike Jan 14, 2014 6:52 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Portions of the ten commandments may be unconstitutional!! - Tim C. Jan 14, 2014 5:49 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Portions of the ten commandments may be unconstitutional!! - Well of coarse it would stand up in the court of law. As lo Sam S. Jan 14, 2014 5:48 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: Richard Dawkins Dinner in the Heart of Texas - Tim C. Jan 14, 2014 5:48 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Landlord wants to find Christian tenants without breaking ... - Tim C. Jan 14, 2014 5:44 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Portions of the ten commandments may be unconstitutional!! - Tim C. Jan 14, 2014 5:43 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Landlord wants to find Christian tenants without breaking laws - It' s such a difficult thing to teach children--trying to find the right balance. I was raising my daughter in the middle of the panic (not said to invalidate real cases), and I wanted her Susan H. Jan 14, 2014 4:25 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Apache Blessing - Preview not available Conrad B. Jan 14, 2014 4:14 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Landlord wants to find Christian tenants without breaking laws - Susan, you are truly wonderful!  I love reading what you have to say. That study you mention at the end makes sense.   I was never molested, but I was raised with only this asked of me once in a w sheri p. Jan 14, 2014 4:10 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Landlord wants to find Christian tenants without breaking ... - Thanks Ruth. You got to admit that would be a great time. Sent from my iPad On Jan 14, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Ruth Anastacia Adamc Sam S. Jan 14, 2014 4:03 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Portions of the ten commandments may be unconstitutional!! - My dears, I hope that this approach works!  It will do our country much good. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Linas K Muliolis < Ruth Anastacia A. Jan 14, 2014 3:44 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Landlord wants to find Christian tenants without breaking laws - I t's getting to be pretty much standard. My daughter is grown up now, but I remember some of these measures when she was little. I can't think of any time that adults in institutions were alone with Susan H. Jan 14, 2014 3:44 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Atheist Survey - Thanks, Randy!  I took the survey, too.  On the whole, I felt that the questions were well-constructed in order to determine who we are as a group or community. Cheers! Anastacia Ruth Anastacia A. Jan 14, 2014 3:43 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Portions of the ten commandments may be unconstitutional!! - Yeah it's so obvious few of us ever thought of it! On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Ruth Anastacia Adamcik < Linas K M. Jan 14, 2014 3:21 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Landlord wants to find Christian tenants without breaking laws - I agree with you Susan.  It is just so new to do since the RCC covers up so many pedophiles.   I don't think they have you read anything like this when you enter Disneyland and have your kid t sheri p. Jan 14, 2014 3:20 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Portions of the ten commandments may be unconstitutional!! - Wow, that's a take on displaying the commandments that I never thought of - that they themselves are mostly in violation of US law.  Cool! On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 2:14 Ruth Anastacia A. Jan 14, 2014 3:17 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Landlord wants to find Christian tenants without breaking laws - I think a lot of those precautions protect them from accusations---and of course protect the children because no one can say with certainty how another human will act. I'm kind of glad th Susan H. Jan 14, 2014 3:09 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Landlord wants to find Christian tenants without breaking laws - On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Ruth Anastacia Adamcik < [address removed] > wrote: sheri p. Jan 14, 2014 3:03 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Landlord wants to find Christian tenants without breaking laws - Insert shameless one time plug here:    (lol) If anyone on this list needs any real estate services, I don't give a flyin' hoot what your creed, color, age, gender, preferences, etc. are, just give me a holler.  I Linas K M. Jan 14, 2014 2:55 PM

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