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RE: [humanism-174] Truth/reality/solipsism - user 2. Aug 11, 2011 5:00 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - user 2. Aug 11, 2011 4:15 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - user 2. Aug 11, 2011 4:03 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - user 2. Aug 11, 2011 4:01 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - user 2. Aug 11, 2011 4:00 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - user 2. Aug 11, 2011 3:56 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - user 2. Aug 11, 2011 3:24 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Does this mean that you think each individual is entitled to their own set of facts and that all sets of facts are eq user 9. Aug 11, 2011 2:32 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - We must be using fluid in different ways. I don't think fluid leads to the conclusion that truth is subjective. I am user 9. Aug 11, 2011 2:31 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Yes. M. Orel On[masked]:56, Randy Pelton wrote: Mark R. O. Aug 11, 2011 2:16 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Randy: If truth is fluid then it is subjective. I do believe truth t Mark R. O. Aug 11, 2011 1:57 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Are you saying that facts are subjective? Randy user 9. Aug 11, 2011 1:55 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Willard: I think we agree. It seems somehow, unreal. Mark R. O. Aug 11, 2011 1:34 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - I don't disagree that truth is fluid. As I think I made clear in a previous post I am undecided about the idea of abs user 9. Aug 11, 2011 1:25 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - I did not say "The Real". I have no idea what "The Real" is. While it's a virtual certainty that aspects of reality are unknown to us, it does not follow that we do not know reality at all. It's not an all-or-nothing proposi Willard B. Aug 11, 2011 1:09 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Willard: Why does it not follow that if our perception is limited th Mark R. O. Aug 11, 2011 1:01 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Woody Allen joke - Tim C. Aug 11, 2011 12:51 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Woody Allen joke - Tim C. Aug 11, 2011 12:51 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Randy: I do not deny the possibility of an absolute reality, I simpl Mark R. O. Aug 11, 2011 12:45 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - And by the way, if you have reservations about reality, why in the world are you talking to me? Or are you talking to yourself? On Aug 11,[masked]:39 AM, "Willard Brickey" < Willard B. Aug 11, 2011 12:41 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Two non sequiturs: 1. "If that which is real cannot be perceived...." It does not follow from the fact that our perception has limitations (which, by the way, are constantly shrinking) that "that which is real cannot be perceiv Willard B. Aug 11, 2011 12:39 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Why do you choose to concentrate on Willard's non sequitur remark rather than his point about reality. I'd like to hear you user 9. Aug 11, 2011 12:26 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Willard: Limitation, although there maybe someone somewhere Mark R. O. Aug 11, 2011 12:21 AM
Ayaan Hirsi Ali disappoints? - Preview not available Mark T. Aug 11, 2011 12:11 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Perhaps I need some clarification. "If that which is real cannot be perceived..." Do you mean not perceived by the less perceptive, or not perceived by any human being because of the limitations of our faculties of perception? Willard B. Aug 11, 2011 12:10 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Brian Greene speaks of this possibility in his latest book, The Hidden Reality . In the book he discusses the 9 user 9. Aug 11, 2011 12:09 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Willard: I don't understand, how was my comment a non sequitur Mark R. O. Aug 10, 2011 11:53 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - I think you have managed to pack two or three non sequiturs into one question. "...is reality even something to cosider?" Well, fire a bullet into your skull. Or jump off the Terminal Tower. Or refrain from consuming food indefinite Willard B. Aug 10, 2011 11:41 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - Preview not available Mark R. O. Aug 10, 2011 11:37 PM
Woody Allen joke - Recently heard this joke and found it amusing so thought I'd share :) Asking Out Allen: That's quite a lovely Jackson Pollock, isn't it? Woman: Yes, it is. Allen: What does it say to you? Woman: It restates the negativeness of the universe. The h Laura Aug 10, 2011 11:33 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Truth/reality/solipsism - Ginger: The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy is an exce Mark R. O. Aug 10, 2011 11:30 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Willard: If that which is real cannot be perceived then is reality e Mark R. O. Aug 10, 2011 11:29 PM
The Demise of Guys? - Philip Zimbardo: The demise of guys? sychologist Philip Zimbardo asks, " Josh Aug 10, 2011 11:26 PM
Re: [humanism-174] How to stop the US from imploding? - Good point, that's about the only thing that would make me vote again for Obama, at least so far. Getting more disappointed and frustrated with this administration every week, it seems. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 3:42 PM Ellen Aug 10, 2011 8:51 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - "Like" :) Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Willard Brickey" <[address removed]> To: <[address removed]> Subject: [humanis Laura Aug 10, 2011 8:14 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - Lol. Willard, I've thought to myself how handy it would be to have a "like" option on here. Laura Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Willard Brickey Laura Aug 10, 2011 8:13 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - In regards to being locked in. When I was in the Marines I did guard duty at the armory. I was locked in the building over the weekend for 8 hour shifts. Sometimes we agreed to do 24 hour or more user 1. Aug 10, 2011 6:05 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Live and let live is fine for adults. When it comes to children limits must be set. Physical mutilation child brides and exorcism are just a few of the destructive religious practices that are permanent.  On Wed, Aug 10, Don B. Aug 10, 2011 5:55 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Tim C. Aug 10, 2011 5:46 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - I would love to live and let live and do for those who do the same for others, but unfortunately what people believe informs their actions and that influences politics, employment decisions, how people raise their children (do they tell them it's Ginger Aug 10, 2011 4:32 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - One does not live one's life with reason alone. There is also emaotion and things are emotionally meaningfull to a person. Shlomoh Aug 10, 2011 4:09 PM
Re: [humanism-174] How to stop the US from imploding? - Preview not available Greg P. Aug 10, 2011 3:42 PM
Re: [humanism-174] How to stop the US from imploding? - Preview not available Mark T. Aug 10, 2011 3:35 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - sadly this is what happens Shlomoh Aug 10, 2011 3:09 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Truth/reality/solipsism - Lmao it's a bloody shame that one must post. Gee, I wonder who it was that brought about this posting? /sarcasm/ On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:44 PM, G Miguel Aug 10, 2011 3:05 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - http://www.walmartsucks.org/ Sent from my ayayayphone On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:38 PM, G < s Chris K Aug 10, 2011 3:02 PM
Truth/reality/solipsism - These links related to the discussion in the other thread: http://plato.stanford.edu/entr­ies/truth/ http://plato.stanford.e Ginger Aug 10, 2011 2:44 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Sharing ideas, questioning and being challenged - You said in giant colored letters: Uh, I once mentioned unsubscribing to Mark but he told me that it is impossible. I am STUCK here whether I like it or not. In other words, I am not allowed to unubscribe under ANY circumstance. Even Ginger Aug 10, 2011 2:41 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - You guys did it in the Malley's parking lot?? Or am I overinterpreting, "we became one entity"? :D On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Tim Campbell < Ginger Aug 10, 2011 2:39 PM
Re: [humanism-174] "Ark park" gets DEEP govt. discount - Give in to temptation.. It's ok to be bad. Have a Gomorrahburger! It's sinfully delicious. Of course you can only buy them two by two.   The gourmet restaurant can be the "Cursed Fig" And the bathrooms can ha Ginger Aug 10, 2011 2:38 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - Until recently they had a policy that allowed for people to be locked in overnight, with no key and no way to get out other than the fire escape (which would lead to being fired in this story about a man whose ankle was crushed and no one had the key Ginger Aug 10, 2011 2:38 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - But they are run by Good Christians(TM), so how could this be? On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Tim Campbell < [address removed] > wrote Ginger Aug 10, 2011 2:37 PM
How to stop the US from imploding? - Preview not available Ginger Aug 10, 2011 2:04 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - Tim C. Aug 10, 2011 12:32 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - Props to Lutron for having the fortitude to resist what must have been some pretty stiff pressure from the Walmart folks (and perhaps their own desire to grow the business). Most companies are actively trying to figure out how to get Walmart's at Greg P. Aug 10, 2011 12:16 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - Tim C. Aug 10, 2011 11:48 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - Tim did you see the story 60 min. did about how Walmart was taking out insurance policies out on the check-out clerks and stock boys. they were betting on their own employees to die. Walmart was the beneficiary for the p user 1. Aug 10, 2011 11:45 AM
Re: [humanism-174] "Ark park" gets DEEP govt. discount - I love the first commenter. She writes,"All good Christians must realize that God in his mysterious ways has provided government subsidies for this theme park. The conclusion is inescapable-God is a socialist, and favors government action in the mark Randy Aug 10, 2011 11:34 AM
Re: [humanism-174] "Ark park" gets DEEP govt. discount - Tim C. Aug 10, 2011 11:22 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Tim C. Aug 10, 2011 11:21 AM
"Ark park" gets DEEP govt. discount - I think we should send the Ark Park commitee some menu suggestions... such as Gomorrahburgers w/Lot fries (with Wifesalt). http://www.kentucky.com/2011/0­8/ Mark T. Aug 10, 2011 11:20 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - Preview not available James P. Aug 10, 2011 11:13 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - Randy, That story is absolutely horrifying. I wish a pox on all the corpoRATe figureheads who signed of James P. Aug 10, 2011 11:11 AM
Re: [humanism-174] A whole house restoration - I'm a fan of the restoration shows. It gripes me that they never mention the cost of the individual projects. On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Mark R. Orel wrote: > This Saturday at 1300H (1:00 p.m.), I am having a Meet-U Don B. Aug 10, 2011 11:05 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - I don't know if this is true, but, I heard that when doing the computer simulation for the battle scenes in the lord of the rings each soldier was given individual characteristics. They were so realistic that one soldier actually turned and ran away. Don B. Aug 10, 2011 11:01 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - Tim C. Aug 10, 2011 10:32 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Eric M Aug 10, 2011 10:25 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Jack Vance phone conversations - Tim C. Aug 10, 2011 10:14 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Sharing ideas, questioning and being challenged - What makes you think I want to unsubscribe???? Shlomoh Aug 10, 2011 10:14 AM
Re: [humanism-174] A whole house restoration - Ray: It is on the internet. That makes it true. Mark R. O. Aug 10, 2011 10:12 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Tim C. Aug 10, 2011 10:03 AM
Re: [humanism-174] A whole house restoration - How do we know this house exists and is not in fact untrue?   Ray  On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Mark R. Orel < allianceca Ray V Aug 10, 2011 10:03 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Tim C. Aug 10, 2011 10:01 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Tim C. Aug 10, 2011 9:57 AM
A whole house restoration - This Saturday at 1300H (1:00 p.m.), I am having a Meet-Up through the Historic Preservation and Restoration group. We bought a house in Bratenahl built around 1900, and it is need of a great deal of work. This Saturday, August 13, my plumber will b Mark R. O. Aug 10, 2011 9:57 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - Walmart is a behemoth that revels in smashing local businesses, making their suppliers cower in fear of losing contracts, and treating their employees like indentured servants. That's why I Chris K Aug 10, 2011 9:02 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Preview not available Willard B. Aug 10, 2011 8:29 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - We mainly shop at Heinen's. Unfortunately, this is because primarily of their great meats (they raise their own on Heinen's owned farms) - and NO, I'm not condoning eating meat, but if you're gonna do it, do it with comparatively less a Marni T. Aug 10, 2011 7:52 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - If people at my library were acting the way they act at my walmart I'd complain and hope they'd get kicked out. James was talking about unacceptable behavior in public. Perhaps it's different at yours. Stop playing the v Ginger Aug 10, 2011 7:43 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - Eric M Aug 10, 2011 7:38 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - user 2. Aug 10, 2011 5:48 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - user 2. Aug 10, 2011 4:55 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - Your link is defective. When I clicked on it I received a message that the server could not be found. user 9. Aug 10, 2011 3:03 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Randy, I agree that you have the bad with the good and it's hard to separate them. Call Shlomoh Aug 10, 2011 2:43 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Back to School is Disturbing at WalMart - Preview not available Randy Aug 10, 2011 2:34 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Jack Vance phone conversations - Preview not available Randy Aug 10, 2011 2:14 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - I am sure Mark will elaborate on why he agrees. Shlomoh Aug 10, 2011 1:31 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - "...can my reality be separate from yours?" There is only one reality-THAT WHICH IS REAL. We may differ in our ability to apprehend it. On Aug 10,[masked]:10 AM, "willard brickey" < Willard B. Aug 10, 2011 1:15 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Reality is axiomatic. I.e., it can't be denied without self-contradiction. To deny reality there must be a denier. So something exists. What exists is reality. On Aug 10,[masked]:52 AM, "Mark R. Orel&qu Willard B. Aug 10, 2011 1:10 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Randy: Truth, as defined by Webster's Second, is subjective.&nbs Mark R. O. Aug 10, 2011 12:47 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Willard: So for you reality is a given? If so, can my Mark R. O. Aug 10, 2011 12:43 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Willard said:   Truth is congruence with reality. A fact is a statement or claim which is true.   Reality is the framework in which we establish proofs. Mark T. Aug 10, 2011 12:18 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - I am not the person who made a point about reality. Be happy to discuss that issue after we clear up the truth issue. user 9. Aug 9, 2011 11:46 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - You cannot "prove" reality. Reality is the framework in which we establish proofs. On Aug 9,[masked]:28 PM, "Mark R. Orel" < [address removed] > Willard B. Aug 9, 2011 11:32 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Randy: I do take you seriously. What is real?&nb Mark R. O. Aug 9, 2011 11:19 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Give me a freakin break. Whatever made you think that this nonsense (or so it seems to me) helps in anyway to clarify user 9. Aug 9, 2011 10:55 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - I still won't know what you are talking about until you define how you are using these words. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Mark R. Orel < alliancecarpentr Ginger Aug 9, 2011 10:54 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Sharing ideas, questioning and being challenged - The only thing you can't unsubscribe to is announcements for new meetups and other announcements. To unsubscribe to the list go to Account in the upper right of meetup.com and then Membership&Communication on the le Ginger Aug 9, 2011 10:53 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - Now comes the stick in the wicket. What is real? Mark R. O. Aug 9, 2011 10:47 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Rabbi kisses Christianity's butt - I agree with G in that what we really need here are some definitions. Because what you just said sounds suspiciously like gibberish. My definitions: Truth is congruence with reality. A fact is a statement or claim which is true. Willard B. Aug 9, 2011 10:31 PM

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