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Re: [humanism-174] Gervias' censored cover - Awesome! I love it! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "G" <[address removed]> To: <[address removed]> Subject: [humanism-1 Laura Aug 22, 2011 4:27 PM
RE: [humanism-174] promoting religion to military personnel and their families - There is a counter (secular) festival to the Rock the Fort festival and their website seems to be an active source of information. I've "liked" them on facebook a while ago. www.rockbeyondbelief.com Rock Beyond Belief is an ambitious project that Eric M Aug 22, 2011 4:15 PM
Re: [humanism-174] promoting religion to military personnel and their families - While it's clear enough to us that this is coercive and unconstitutional, a couple things make it quite difficult to address. The military has its soldiers by the balls/ovaries, and can make life very tough for those who dare to buck the tide b Greg P. Aug 22, 2011 4:07 PM
How Shopping Malls Make You Buy | Disinformation - http://www.disinfo.com/2011/08­/how-shopping-malls-make-you-b­uy/ Miguel Aug 22, 2011 3:28 PM
We shouldn't ignore parents' issues - I've been thinking (and saying) this a long time even though I am not a parent nor wi Ginger Aug 22, 2011 3:22 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Gervias' censored cover - Eric M Aug 22, 2011 2:57 PM
Gervias' censored cover - It was rejected by Rolling Stone, but not by the new humanist!   http://www.patheos.com/blogs/f­riendlyatheist/2011/08/21/rick­y-gervais-blasphemous-m Ginger Aug 22, 2011 2:46 PM
We are atheism campaign - http://www.weareatheism.com/ --   Ginger Aug 22, 2011 2:45 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Check out Common cause of all forms of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) di - Eric M Aug 22, 2011 2:45 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Common cause of all forms of amyotrophic lateral... - Ok....technically your right..perhaps I should have said unnecessary...... ---- Tim Campbell wrote: > Negate? Not really. It is of course always possible that a magic being > exists outside of Time and Space and possibly even user 9. Aug 22, 2011 2:14 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Common cause of all forms of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) di - Just so long as you don't include Tooten as one of those false gods! On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Randy Pelton < [address removed] Ginger Aug 22, 2011 2:13 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Common cause of all forms of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) di - Most religions have God interacting with us in very direct ways especially the old testament. Catholics accept evolution and tap dance around any literal interpretation of the old testament. It still remains that evolution and science has relegated reli user 9. Aug 22, 2011 2:12 PM
Re: [humanism-174] promoting religion to military personnel and their families - The MRFF Military Religious Freedom Foundation  are the ones who initiated this project into uncovering injustice and unlawful activity costing tax payers millions. The lib Ginger Aug 22, 2011 2:12 PM
promoting religion to military personnel and their families - Wow, -> Lisa M. Aug 22, 2011 1:39 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Common cause of all forms of amyotrophic lateral... - Tim C. Aug 22, 2011 1:03 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Common cause of all forms of amyotrophic lateral... - Tim C. Aug 22, 2011 1:01 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Common cause of all forms of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) di - Depends on the religion. I doubt all of them have a creation story or at least one central to other tenents.  It negates Adam and Eve without which I think the whole premise of Christianity falls apart, but the liberal Christians seem to disagree wit Ginger Aug 22, 2011 12:42 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Common cause of all forms of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) di - Does evolution negate religion? To me it does! ---- Randy Pelton wrote: > Praise be to modern science-based medicine. I will "worship" at its altar and forsake all other false Gods including Yahweh, Elohim, Jehovah, Allah e user 9. Aug 22, 2011 12:22 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Common cause of all forms of amyotrophic lateral... - Tim C. Aug 22, 2011 10:58 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Common cause of all forms of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) di - Praise be to modern science-based medicine. I will "worship" at its altar and forsake all other false Gods including user 9. Aug 22, 2011 10:49 AM
Check out Three waves of evolutionary innovation shaped diversity of vertebra - Tim C. Aug 22, 2011 10:45 AM
Check out Common cause of all forms of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) di - Tim C. Aug 22, 2011 10:38 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Praise Be to Goddard - Tim C. Aug 22, 2011 10:00 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Cat kicking - Tim C. Aug 22, 2011 9:43 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Cat kicking - The author makes pitifully unsupportable arguments. I don't understand the people who claim religion provides moral absolutes. It's obvious that holy books get their religion from soc Chris K Aug 22, 2011 9:33 AM
Skepticism and Religion - Again - http://theness.com/neurologica­blog/index.php/skepticism-and-­religion-again/ Dr. Novella really hits the nail on the head in this one Josh Aug 22, 2011 9:05 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Praise Be to Goddard - While maybe no banana stalks were found many woolly mammoths were. Over the life of the planet the land mass has migrated,combined and split. At one time the earth was a "snowball" If it weren't for volcanic activity it would still be one. I am a beli user 2. Aug 22, 2011 8:43 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Praise Be to Goddard - Tried looking that up too... found some banana smoothie recipes but that's it. His field of expertise might be so narrow that he's just as much of a layman as anyone on this subject. Who knows, he might have just picked that up from his born again coll Eric M Aug 22, 2011 8:15 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Praise Be to Goddard - Very true! Its especially difficult to say you have been fooled for a major portion of your life. That thought process is ingrained in you and becomes part of how they see themselves. ---- Ray V wrote: > > > > Moral of the sto user 9. Aug 22, 2011 7:33 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Cat kicking - Ridiculous! Everyone knows cats are clean animals. Sent using knowledge discovered with the scientific method. On Aug 21, 2011, at 11:20 PM, TheTrailerTrashKing < Ginger Aug 22, 2011 7:32 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Cat kicking - Well- I'll say one thing... the religious apologist is at least somewhat creative with this absurd scenario. On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:20 PM, TheTrailerTrashKing < Mark T. Aug 22, 2011 1:45 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Praise Be to Goddard - ...Which is why we see religion being coddled by "disclaimers", one of the most appalling examples of which being the drooky disclaimer video at the end of 2008's Darwin Exhibition at the Great Lakes SCIENCE CENTER (whi Mark T. Aug 22, 2011 12:26 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Praise Be to Goddard - Ray V Aug 21, 2011 11:59 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Praise Be to Goddard - I'm glad you brought this up. "Negative thing #2: The Trailer Trash King asked DG about his thoughts on global warming... DG proclaimed himself "agnostic" on that matter, but then said something about banana stalks being found in the Greenland ice she Laura Aug 21, 2011 11:44 PM
Praise Be to Goddard - First off- the event was fabulous, as was the "Drinking Skeptically" event following DG's talk.   DG took awhile to get to the topic that most in the room wanted to hear about- his atheism (and anti-theism). Dick Mark T. Aug 21, 2011 11:32 PM
Cat kicking - I think you'll find this page interesting: Our atheist commenters have kindly explain user 1. Aug 21, 2011 11:20 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Fwd: One of the best yet - Eric M Aug 21, 2011 8:40 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: One of the best yet - You're right, of course. On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Tim Campbell < [address removed] > wrote: Ellen Aug 21, 2011 8:23 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: One of the best yet - Tim C. Aug 21, 2011 7:54 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: One of the best yet - Maybe it was meant ironically? Yeah, right. On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Tim Campbell < [address removed] > wrote: Ellen Aug 21, 2011 7:51 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Grief beyond belief - A group like this would have been a big help to me in a few decades ago. When I lost one of my best friends at the age of 18 I desperately wanted to believe I'd see her again but deep down couldn't; I welcomed the usual comforting words but the co Ellen Aug 21, 2011 5:48 PM
Fwd: Koch to Buffett: 'My Business is More Beneficial to Society than My Tax Dollars' - Preview not available Miguel Aug 21, 2011 3:19 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Perry Prinicples - Tim C. Aug 21, 2011 2:55 PM
Perry Prinicples - Scary stuff. http://freethoughtblogs.com/ph­aryngula/2011/08/20/the-perry-­principles/ --   Ginger Aug 21, 2011 2:44 PM
Fwd: Borowitz: Favre says Gaddafi's Refusal to Quit is "desperate" - Tim C. Aug 21, 2011 2:39 PM
Fwd: One of the best yet - Tim C. Aug 21, 2011 2:38 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Faith Requires Self-Delusion! - Tim C. Aug 21, 2011 2:38 PM
Re: [humanism-174] "Spiritual"- a weasely word? - I don't use the word to describe myself, in fact when a counselor suggested I join a Unitarian church to meet like-minded people and also "grow spiritually" I told her I wasn't interested in that. And then, fortunately, I used the google Ellen Aug 21, 2011 1:36 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Faith Requires Self-Delusion! - Yes Ginger, you just aren't keeping an open mind. At least that's what my fundie Baptist grandmother accused me off yesterday. Lol! On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Eric M < Randy Aug 21, 2011 12:46 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Faith Requires Self-Delusion! - That's just your confirmation bias kicking in. J/k On Aug 21, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Tim Campbell < [address removed] > wrote: Eric M Aug 21, 2011 12:05 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Faith Requires Self-Delusion! - " Ginger Aug 21, 2011 10:47 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Faith Requires Self-Delusion! - Tim C. Aug 21, 2011 7:55 AM
Faith Requires Self-Delusion! - http://tucsoncitizen.com/freet­hought-arizona/2011/08/20/psyc­hiatrist-finds-faith-requires-­self-delusion/ John user 1. Aug 21, 2011 5:01 AM
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Scientific Discrimination - How the Science World Tells Black Kids 'Do Not Enter' user 1. Aug 20, 2011 1:44 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Check out Russian Mom Hears Daughter's Final Agony As She ... - user 2. Aug 20, 2011 11:31 AM
Re: [humanism-174] About Who? - Basically what I hear in these debates from the religious point of view is "we hope there is a God because it gives us hope and a feeling of comfort" . Its justified optimism. Its gives us structure and organizes random morality and chaos. There are myste user 9. Aug 20, 2011 11:31 AM
Re: [humanism-174] About Who? - Could be that the Spanish don't suffer from amnesia about god and the church and remember quite well the warm embrace Jay D. G. Aug 20, 2011 10:29 AM
Re: [humanism-174] psychology of miracles - BTW- If you enjoyed this article, there is a good chance he will be coming to town for a lecture and a workshop. Details to come... On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:33 AM, TheTrailerTrashKing < Ginger Aug 20, 2011 10:27 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Is the Bible Still Relevant Today? - Like with most of these exchanges, the theologian and the guy in the audience danced around direct questions. On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Mark Tiborsky < sponyak@gm Ginger Aug 20, 2011 10:23 AM
Re: [humanism-174] About Who? - God needs a better PR man. Ray  On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:38 AM, TheTrailerTrashKing < [address removed] > Ray V Aug 20, 2011 10:00 AM
Re: [humanism-174] About Who? - The church is only in existence to remind us that it exist. John On Aug 20, 2011, at 9:26 AM, G wrote: > How ironic, The Catholic Church depends on the amnesia of it's members. > > Sent using knowledge discovered with user 1. Aug 20, 2011 9:38 AM
psychology of miracles - 'Drowned' boy reveals the psychology of miracles user 1. Aug 20, 2011 9:32 AM
Re: [humanism-174] About Who? - How ironic, The Catholic Church depends on the amnesia of it's members. Sent using knowledge discovered with the scientific method. On Aug 20, 2011, at 8:27 AM, TheTrailerTrashKing wrote: > 'Pope laments society's Ginger Aug 20, 2011 9:26 AM
About Who? - 'Pope laments society's 'amnesia' about God' Here is the link: http://fluentnews.com/s/269791­30 John user 1. Aug 20, 2011 8:25 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Russian Mom Hears Daughter's Final Agony As She ... - Tim C. Aug 20, 2011 8:03 AM
Re: [humanism-174] woo-woo - Creators of Woo like to use scientific terms in ways that to the consumers of Woo sound like sophisticated scientific descriptions of supernatural phenomenon. But they sound like absolute nonsense to those that have a better understanding of the fields th user 1. Aug 20, 2011 7:56 AM
Re: [humanism-174] woo-woo - To me Woo is a widely believed concept that is refuted by the scientific community. On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Tim Campbell wrote: > No, those are what scientists call Wild Ideas! lol  There actually IS a > difference as user 2. Aug 20, 2011 7:47 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Check out Russian Mom Hears Daughter's Final Agony As She ... - user 2. Aug 20, 2011 3:48 AM
Is the Bible Still Relevant Today? - Here is an interesting short excerpt from BBC's "The Big Questions" featuring biblical scholar Francesca Stavrakopoulou, Richard Dawkins, and two theologians. The one theologian gets quite defensive over Francesca's statements, and Mark T. Aug 20, 2011 2:43 AM
Re: [humanism-174] woo-woo - Tim C. Aug 19, 2011 11:38 PM
Re: [humanism-174] woo-woo - True... but philosophy is speculative as well! LOL ---- Willard Brickey wrote: > The difference to me appears to be that the scientists who develop and deal > in these concepts generally recognize and acknowledge their specula user 9. Aug 19, 2011 10:20 PM
Re: [humanism-174] woo-woo - The difference to me appears to be that the scientists who develop and deal in these concepts generally recognize and acknowledge their speculative nature. On Aug 19,[masked]:17 PM, "Randall Tiedman" < Willard B. Aug 19, 2011 9:40 PM
woo-woo - Since that phrase is brought up quite a bit does it apply to string theory,M theory,multi verse, dark energy? These things are theories based more on projections of what "might "be there. They are not facts but projections of possibilities. Why does phil user 9. Aug 19, 2011 9:17 PM
Re: [humanism-174] "Spiritual"- a weasely word? - Lol. Randall, I'm a "natural born atheist" too. Laura Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Randall Tiedman" <[address removed]> To: <humanism-174@me Laura Aug 19, 2011 8:20 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Who needs taxes if you can pray for infrastructure? - Eric M Aug 19, 2011 7:41 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Who needs taxes if you can pray for infrastructure? - Eric M Aug 19, 2011 7:01 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Who needs taxes if you can pray for infrastructure? - Eric M Aug 19, 2011 6:57 PM
God's messin' with Texas - Preview not available Ginger Aug 19, 2011 5:07 PM
Trolling for Trolls - They got him, finally. http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.c­om/2011/08/18/prolific-web-tro­ll-arrested-with-help-from-ath­eists-on-twitter/ John user 1. Aug 19, 2011 5:01 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Who needs taxes if you can pray for infrastructure? - Tim C. Aug 19, 2011 3:28 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: In Other Moron News...It's Perry Again - "sitting around preening our intellects" Ray V Aug 19, 2011 2:40 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Talk about a weasel... - Yes. In this analogy, perhaps the government/corporations in some combination are the human guardians/owners, the cats are the religious leaders, and everyone else is a small rodent, and in many cases a slow flying moth with poor manuverability who lives Ginger Aug 19, 2011 2:29 PM
Grief beyond belief - http://gretachristina.typepad.­com/greta_christinas_weblog/20­11/08/new-group-for-non-believ­ers-helps-atheists-grieve.htm Ginger Aug 19, 2011 2:24 PM
Who needs taxes if you can pray for infrastructure? - http://atheism.about.com/b/201­1/08/19/hands-that-help-are-be­tter-than-lips-that-pray.htm   Jeff Culber works for the Ke Ginger Aug 19, 2011 2:23 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Talk about a weasel... - Tim C. Aug 19, 2011 2:07 PM
Re: [humanism-174] An eBay for science : Nature News - Those who do the work can also build reputations independent of their publications by gaining feedback from those they work with.   Well, not exactly. I doubt they'll know who any of them are save smoe administrat Ginger Aug 19, 2011 2:05 PM
Re: [humanism-174] "Spiritual"- a weasely word? - Uh, oh. My kitty says, "MawMaw!" I thought she was referring to me! JK On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Tim Campbell < [address removed] Ginger Aug 19, 2011 2:04 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Talk about a weasel... - I'm sure people would say that that was an anomoly (the Dark Ages only went on for centuries, you know). Or that we "know better" now and wouldn't do that if given the chance. Bullshit. The Family, a network of high up politicians, Ginger Aug 19, 2011 2:03 PM
Re: [humanism-174] "Spiritual"- a weasely word? - Tim C. Aug 19, 2011 1:29 PM
Re: [humanism-174] "Spiritual"- a weasely word? - No, they do! They usually tell me things like "bweeee!", and "chaack!" and "hwoot hwoot hwoot hwoot". On Aug 19,[masked]:28 AM, "Tim Campbell" < Mark T. Aug 19, 2011 1:26 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Russian Mom Hears Daughter's Final Agony As She ... - Completely agree! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Tim Campbell" <[address removed]> To: <[address removed]> Subject: [human Laura Aug 19, 2011 1:20 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Russian Mom Hears Daughter's Final Agony As She Is Eaten Alive By B - LOL Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Randall Tiedman" <[address removed]> To: <[address removed]> Subject: [humanism-174] Check out Russian Mom Hears Daug Laura Aug 19, 2011 1:19 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: In Other Moron News...It's Perry Again - Tim C. Aug 19, 2011 1:16 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: In Other Moron News...It's Perry Again - You're absolutely right, Ginger. Very thoughtful response that made me feel a little bit guilty...lol. I could be actively doing more than just complaining. Great end quote. Laura Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone Laura Aug 19, 2011 1:10 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Russian Mom Hears Daughter's Final Agony As She ... - Tim C. Aug 19, 2011 1:03 PM
An eBay for science : Nature News - http://www.natu Miguel Aug 19, 2011 12:57 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Russian Mom Hears Daughter's Final Agony As She Is Eaten Alive By B - God cant be everywhere doing everything ...errrr...oh thats right he can. Well, he was probably distracted by all the sinning going on. I wish we could give the big guy a break. He is only human ...errr....I guess not but he does love us.......he told m user 9. Aug 19, 2011 12:54 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: In Other Moron News...It's Perry Again - Charles has nailed it! ---- Laura wrote: > The voters... Democracy by Charles Bukowsi The problem, of course, isn't the Democratic System, It's the Living parts which make up the Democratic System. The next pers user 9. Aug 19, 2011 12:48 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: In Other Moron News...It's Perry Again - Well it should be for all of *us* here on this list, too. I know how bad I am. I'd ideally like to do some or do more of the following at least- write/call my representatives at least on a monthly or weekly basis, Write letters to the editor, Fol Ginger Aug 19, 2011 12:44 PM

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