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Re: [humanism-174] truth, part-truth, or falsehood? - Depends on how you define god and how you define "in line with". If it means, an omnima Ginger Sep 23, 2010 3:46 PM
Re: [humanism-174] truth, part-truth, or falsehood? - user 9. Sep 23, 2010 3:22 PM
Re: [humanism-174] truth, part-truth, or falsehood? - I disagree with the statement - as it stands today. It implies that tomorrow it may change which I don't believe.. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Mark Tiborsky < user 2. Sep 23, 2010 3:21 PM
NYTimes: Man Charged in Cabby Attack Ranted to Police, Documents Show - From The New York Times: Man Charged in Cabby Attack Ranted to Police, Documents Show Court filings describing the arrest of Michael Enright, who is charged with slashing a Muslim driver in Midtown, give details on his mental st Wandering H. Sep 23, 2010 3:18 PM
truth, part-truth, or falsehood? - I was wondering what others would think of this statement: ? "A godless universe is in line with scientific empiricism, as it stands today." ? Truth, partial truth, or falsehood? Mark T. Sep 23, 2010 3:13 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - "Yes- unfortunately, theology does clash with science... it has done so throughout human histor Ginger Sep 23, 2010 3:00 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Those damn moral atheists! user 9. Sep 23, 2010 2:54 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Frankly, I'm looking forward to hearing the exchange again, hopefully a video or audio will appear somewhere... how come none of us are crooked bootleggers, why didn't anyone sneak in a recording device? :) ? BTW, th Mark T. Sep 23, 2010 2:52 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - As I said before, he "science user 9. Sep 23, 2010 2:47 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - I am seeing ridiculous projections where there should be none. Not even the snottiest, most abrasive 13 year-old atheist would expect an answer like that. ? In my own wishful thinking, a direct answer from Tyson might be: &quo Mark T. Sep 23, 2010 2:16 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Lets also not forgot an earlier question from a woman who said something to the effect of, "You inspired me to be a sci Josh Sep 23, 2010 1:53 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Re: Gi Ginger Sep 23, 2010 1:47 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - I'd like to see some real stats on what self-proclaimed Christians believe. We may get a biased vie Ginger Sep 23, 2010 1:39 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Losing your religion may be unhealthy, research suggests - I've also read of studies that show depressed people have more accurate assessments of themselves a Ginger Sep 23, 2010 1:37 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Tim C. Sep 23, 2010 12:50 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - I should also clarify, accepting the whol user 9. Sep 23, 2010 12:29 PM
Check out Breaking waves in the Lagoon Nebula - Tim C. Sep 23, 2010 12:20 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - I disagree that a majority of Christians user 9. Sep 23, 2010 12:18 PM
Check out Losing your religion may be unhealthy, research suggests - Tim C. Sep 23, 2010 12:17 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Thank you for the clarification. On Sep 23, 2010, at 7:53 AM, Josh wrote: James P. Sep 23, 2010 12:16 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Tim C. Sep 23, 2010 12:12 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - On Sep 23, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Gary wrote: James P. Sep 23, 2010 12:09 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Tim C. Sep 23, 2010 12:06 PM
Check out Did Jesus exist? - Tim C. Sep 23, 2010 11:58 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Preview not available Mark T. Sep 23, 2010 11:49 AM
why do the fundaloons lie? - Tim C. Sep 23, 2010 11:35 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - I agree. A public figure has to endear himself to his followers and supporters by treading diplomatically on certain subjects. There is a time and place where this doesnt apply and the setting where it is appropriate is up to him. He is trying to sell his user 9. Sep 23, 2010 11:16 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - I think the majority of "Christians" believe something like this: - Go Gary Sep 23, 2010 11:01 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Tim C. Sep 23, 2010 10:59 AM
Expanded view of "accommodationist" - The definition I suggested yesterday is limited to "accommodationist atheist". The new term "accommodationist" is used in a broader sense, being applied to the scientific community which may be more appropriate to the previ Mark T. Sep 23, 2010 9:15 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - I was n't dismissing it. I just wanted to know if there was a set definition that everyone has universally agreed upon. It's not invalid. Josh Josh Sep 23, 2010 7:53 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: detailed response from Evangelical friend - Look at the Kennedy assassination that occurred in 1963 for verification at how historical events can be twisted and exaggerated and wrong! It seems people who serve their own agenda can twist and fabricate to serve their aims. When the church took over t user 9. Sep 23, 2010 7:09 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - On Sep 22, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Josh wrote: James P. Sep 22, 2010 11:35 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - On Sep 22, 2010, at 5:35 PM, Ray V wrote: James P. Sep 22, 2010 11:29 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Well stated, Mark. I think that what you have described is so dramatically more representative of the real nature of the science James P. Sep 22, 2010 11:24 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Preview not available Ray V Sep 22, 2010 11:23 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: detailed response from Evangelical friend - Here is a nice compendium of "evidence" (or lack thereof) for historical Christ. Compared to a relative wealth of knowledge of earlier characters from history, it does?seem a bit "fishy"... :) ? Mark T. Sep 22, 2010 11:13 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Re: Josh- Certainly, yes. They are doing a great job. ? They (especially Dawkins) are also trashed almost on a daily basis, which would be fine if it were by reasoned arguments but instead we get a whole lot of straw man-lade Mark T. Sep 22, 2010 10:34 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Tim C. Sep 22, 2010 8:34 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Tim C. Sep 22, 2010 8:34 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Ok, to Ray and Mark: 1) what would you like him to say? 2) How would that enhance what he's currentl Ginger Sep 22, 2010 7:24 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Mark, Isn't Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett, Jerry Coyne, and Victor Stenger already doing a good job of that? Aren't th Josh Sep 22, 2010 7:06 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - As in "religion is compatible with science"? I would say- God, no :) ? As in the application of the definition I submitted in 1)? Yes, I think he would agree with that... ? Which is fine. A tw Mark T. Sep 22, 2010 6:52 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Mark, And you're absolutely certain that this is what Dr. Tyson believes? Josh III Josh Sep 22, 2010 6:37 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Tim said: "...but I'll cut the guy a break." ? Oh, me too! Tyson was excellent. We were just discussing the "show" over there, really... ? Re: Josh- Yep! But I do believ Mark T. Sep 22, 2010 6:30 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Mark, Am I to understand from your response that there is no universal set definition of "accomodationist atheist" and you're just giving your definition Josh Sep 22, 2010 6:19 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - I'm not certain if I'm an accommodationist or not. On key issues like Gay rights, limiting corp Jay D. G. Sep 22, 2010 6:18 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Tim C. Sep 22, 2010 6:01 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - I think the focus should be on convincing the moderately religious that science increasingly shapes the mo Jay D. G. Sep 22, 2010 5:59 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Tim C. Sep 22, 2010 5:53 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - 2) should read: "Cause undue offense to religious people"? On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Mark Tiborsky < [address removed] > wrote: Mark T. Sep 22, 2010 5:52 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: detailed response from Evangelical friend - Tim C. Sep 22, 2010 5:48 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Accommodationist atheist: ? an atheist (or agnostic) who believes it best to avoid crticizing religious dogma too harshly, for?concern that it will 1) chase religious people away from accepting establish Mark T. Sep 22, 2010 5:46 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Tyson had me completely on board with every comment he made until a Theology student asked him for his opinion on the role religion ?vs. science plays in society. ? ?He made it clear that the cultures of the middle east were making huge leaps forward Ray V Sep 22, 2010 5:35 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - So to me, that's the "crux" of accommodationism, as applied to the atheist/agnostic... the failure to acknowledge the "Elephant in the Room". ? The truth is, science & theology DO clash. They are co Mark T. Sep 22, 2010 5:31 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Mark , Nowhere in these comments do any of you define "accomodationism" or "accomodationist". Could one of you please do that for us? Josh Sep 22, 2010 5:24 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: detailed response from Evangelical friend - user 1. Sep 22, 2010 5:16 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: The Moral Landscape - user 1. Sep 22, 2010 4:57 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - I made similar remarks, and Nathan made one. Here they are for the purpose of dissection (some irrelevant-to-this-thread text removed): ? Mark T. said: ? "I thought Tyson Mark T. Sep 22, 2010 4:56 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - Tim C. Sep 22, 2010 4:01 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - I'll refrain from commenting user 9. Sep 22, 2010 1:45 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Neil Tyson at Playhouse Square - user 9. Sep 22, 2010 1:36 PM
Is Tyson an accomodationist, and if so, so what? - On the event page for Neil deGrasse Tyson, Ray made a couple of remarks criticizing Ginger Sep 22, 2010 1:26 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Neil Tyson at Playhouse Square - Tim C. Sep 22, 2010 12:38 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Neil Tyson at Playhouse Square - So many errors.....the mind is fading...please excuse the missed words and numerous mistakes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall Tiedman" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 22,[masked]:14 PM user 9. Sep 22, 2010 12:34 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Neil Tyson at Playhouse Square - Religion has always been a created mental universe designed to give form for optimists and the their idea of a controlling father figure. Religion had no place (nor will it ever) in science or history. Its a structured form created to give optimism a plac user 9. Sep 22, 2010 12:13 PM
Neil Tyson at Playhouse Square - Tim C. Sep 22, 2010 10:20 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Cosmic Log - How to spot quantum quackery - Tim C. Sep 22, 2010 9:49 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Cosmic Log - How to spot quantum quackery - user 9. Sep 22, 2010 9:41 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Cosmic Log - How to spot quantum quackery - Tim C. Sep 22, 2010 9:32 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: detailed response from Evangelical friend - Tim C. Sep 22, 2010 9:31 AM
Re: Re: [humanism-174] "Conservapedia" blurb on N.D. Tyson - Preview not available Russell S. Sep 22, 2010 7:29 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Cosmic Log - How to spot quantum quackery - Randall: Mark R. O. Sep 22, 2010 2:00 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: detailed response from Evangelical friend - Tim C. Sep 22, 2010 12:22 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Cosmic Log - How to spot quantum quackery - Tim C. Sep 21, 2010 11:55 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: detailed response from Evangelical friend - It's hard to know how to judge the claims made without knowing what McDowell's sources are. Otherwise, I'd Ginger Sep 21, 2010 10:53 PM
Re: detailed response from Evangelical friend - user 7. Sep 21, 2010 10:31 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: The Moral Landscape - Preview not available user 9. Sep 21, 2010 10:14 PM
Fwd: The Moral Landscape - Preview not available Wandering H. Sep 21, 2010 8:42 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Check out Cosmic Log - How to spot quantum quackery - user 9. Sep 21, 2010 7:26 PM
Italian police seize $30M from Vatican in probe - http://www.google.com/hostedne­ws/ap/article/ALeqM5jZE68q9X88­dHYq8WimifrCvtjYXgD9ICDHA80 The Vatican involved in a scandal? Never! Maria B. Sep 21, 2010 2:33 PM
Check out Cosmic Log - How to spot quantum quackery - Tim C. Sep 21, 2010 2:07 PM
get excommunicated! - Ginger Sep 21, 2010 1:58 PM
Quantum Quackery w Krauss - Ginger Sep 21, 2010 1:38 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Parting of the Red Sea - Tim C. Sep 21, 2010 12:31 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Parting of the Red Sea - Interesting but for the fact that there is almost no evidence for the Exodus event (at least from the Egyp Jay D. G. Sep 21, 2010 12:25 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Parting of the Red Sea - Tim C. Sep 21, 2010 11:49 AM
Parting of the Red Sea - http://www.ouramazingplanet.co­m/wind-possibly-parted-red-sea­-100921-0552/ ? ? Maybe the bible is more accurate than we think a Marni T. Sep 21, 2010 11:31 AM
Re: [humanism-174] "Conservapedia" blurb on N.D. Tyson - Tim C. Sep 21, 2010 10:36 AM
Re: [humanism-174] "Conservapedia" blurb on N.D. Tyson - Conservapedia seems to be a right-wing Christian fantasy journal. I looked up the entry on Carl Jay D. G. Sep 21, 2010 10:20 AM
Re: [humanism-174] "Conservapedia" blurb on N.D. Tyson - Tim C. Sep 21, 2010 9:56 AM
Re: [humanism-174] "Conservapedia" blurb on N.D. Tyson - "Museum employee," professor in quotes, AFFIRMATIVE ACTION! Wow! If that wasn't written by a poe... *Shudder* James P. Sep 21, 2010 9:53 AM
Re: [humanism-174] "Conservapedia" blurb on N.D. Tyson - Now that the KKK has abandoned their hoods, it so nice of then to let us know where they are. Just look for tea bags. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Mark Tiborsky < spo Ray V Sep 21, 2010 9:43 AM
Re: [humanism-174] "Conservapedia" blurb on N.D. Tyson - I read it too. I guess Tyson Jay D. G. Sep 21, 2010 9:42 AM
"Conservapedia" blurb on N.D. Tyson - The stoopid... oh how it burns! Looking forward to tonight's Neil DeGrasse Tyson event! I was browsing a bit on Tyson, and I stumbled upon THIS. Hard evidence that "Conservapedia" is "Wiki for the brain-dead"... Mark T. Sep 21, 2010 9:23 AM
Re: Re: [humanism-174] Christine O'Donnell is a Witch. - user 7. Sep 21, 2010 5:35 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Christine O'Donnell is a Witch. - On Sep 20, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Mark Tiborsky wrote: James P. Sep 20, 2010 4:51 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Christine O'Donnell is a Witch. - If I were a political strategist, I'd say it's worth the risk. The attitude would have to be "screw her base, they're going to vote for her anyhow". How about the Democratic base that just might be energized, if the Dems s Mark T. Sep 20, 2010 2:40 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Christine O'Donnell is a Witch. - That's the problem- her website was scrubbed of its insanity the moment she won the primary (see link in 1st post), with the nuttier stuff being replaced by something vaguely "palatable" (this tactic being quite cheesy in itself, though i Mark T. Sep 20, 2010 2:21 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Christine O'Donnell is a Witch. - Yeah, attacking O'Donnell for being a fundaloon would only energize her base. Even attacking her pos Jay D. G. Sep 20, 2010 2:09 PM

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