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Re: [humanism-174] The playing field - The earth's orbit is about[masked] days long, which is why there is a extra day every four years, unless that year is a multiple of 100, which is not a leap year, unless it is a multiple of 400.? 1600 & 2000 were leap years; 1700, 1800, and 1900 chuck p. Jun 21, 2010 9:52 AM
Re: [humanism-174] The playing field - Tim C. Jun 21, 2010 9:40 AM
Re: [humanism-174] The playing field - Tim C. Jun 21, 2010 9:33 AM
Re: [humanism-174] The playing field - As one with degrees in mathematics and mathematical physics, it has always been clear that rigor and consistency are based on making clear initial definitions, with each term having one specific meaning.? Unlike religion, science is not 'wish-washy chuck p. Jun 21, 2010 9:31 AM
Re: [humanism-174] The playing field - Tim C. Jun 21, 2010 9:10 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Nancy Is Just As Crazy - Frank S. Jun 21, 2010 8:21 AM
RE: [humanism-174] The playing field - Frank S. Jun 21, 2010 7:40 AM
Re: [humanism-174] The playing field - I'm not sure this is so cut-and-dried. A "belief" can also be defined as "something?held to be true". ? In this sense, and in the case of science, probability comes into play. For instance, Stephen Hawk Mark T. Jun 21, 2010 12:25 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Nancy Is Just As Crazy - Nice try, but not quite. Pretty funny, though :) ? Pelosi spews pedestrian-grade Christian feel-goody-good bla bla in the video... but Palin has expressed convictions of?A creationism, B) Christian nationalism, and C)Dominioni Mark T. Jun 21, 2010 12:03 AM
The playing field - Belief: accepting an idea on faith alone. Testing: accepting an idea only after it has been verified through rigorous testing. Scientists don't believe - we test hypotheses.? -- Charles Pervo In Reason We Tru chuck p. Jun 20, 2010 11:16 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Nancy Is Just As Crazy - Penn is my kind of guy: a skeptic and, given the content of his Showtime series, a libertarian to boot. On Jun 20, 2010, at 10:49 PM, TheTrailerTrashKing wrote: > http://www.parapundit.com/ > > > John > Frank S. Jun 20, 2010 11:12 PM
Re: [humanism-174] How European Tolerance Islamized Turkey - Oh my bad ��lol. This phenomena of Islamic madness is worldwide. It's not��necessarily��Sunni or��Shi'ite or Arabic only Muslims. From Indonesia to the United States the hostility to the West is pan-Islamic. Race/ethnicity and Miguel Jun 20, 2010 8:22 PM
Re: [humanism-174] How European Tolerance Islamized Turkey - Brian R Jun 20, 2010 6:09 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Well, I guess your point and William's is that society defines morality. So since society says its OK to execute you feel its not immoral. As an artist I hardly ever follow many of the rules that Im told to follow so Im perfectly capable of ignoring socie user 9. Jun 20, 2010 2:15 PM
challenge to the fundaloon community - Tim C. Jun 20, 2010 1:57 PM
Fwd: [humanism-174] LA lawmakers- prayer to stop oil - Tim C. Jun 20, 2010 1:31 PM
LA lawmakers- prayer to stop oil - http: Ginger Jun 20, 2010 1:26 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ask a Theist Why They Call 911 - Tim C. Jun 20, 2010 11:19 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ask a Theist Why They Call 911 - user 1. Jun 20, 2010 11:15 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Tim C. Jun 20, 2010 11:07 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - I dont consider my position as self-righteous at all. Im suprised you read me that way. It seems to me that most conservatives on the death penalty come across as being gleefully self righteous and sometimes quote the Bible. The idea that person in prison user 9. Jun 20, 2010 10:43 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Baby preacher - Ha! They don't even know what he was saying! It may have been a manifestation of the devil (LOL) speaking through the child... Or maybe he was Gordon Jun 20, 2010 10:32 AM
Baby preacher - http://w Ginger Jun 20, 2010 10:12 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - user 1. Jun 20, 2010 10:10 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - user 1. Jun 20, 2010 10:01 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Oprah Winfrey: Bright (but Gullible) Billionaire - Hey, Michael! This is the last link that you p Josh Jun 20, 2010 2:45 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Oprah Winfrey: Bright (but Gullible) Billionaire - Hey you! I just posted this! Lol Sent on the Now Network��� from my Sprint�� BlackBerry From: Josh <[address removed]> Miguel Jun 20, 2010 12:49 AM
Oprah Winfrey: Bright (but Gullible) Billionaire - Oprah Winfrey: Bright (but Gullible) Billionaire by Martin Gar Josh Jun 20, 2010 12:31 AM
Chris Hedges: Christian Fascists - truthdig.com/report/page3/the_­christian_fascists_are_growing­_stronger_[masked]/ Sent on the Now Network��� from my Sprint�� BlackBerry Miguel Jun 19, 2010 10:49 PM
Case in point: Islamist preacher coming to Canada - thestar.com/mobile/news/gta/ar­ticle/825838--islamic-televang­elist-booked-for-toronto This guy hates infidels, homosexuals, and calls the US government a terrorist (in the past this was true still a grain of truth to that now lol) Sent on the Now Networ Miguel Jun 19, 2010 10:47 PM
Re: [humanism-174] How European Tolerance Islamized Turkey - Why are you making apologetics for Islam? I'm sorry, but want the material benefits of Western culture but refuse to update their stone age minds and we shouldn't have to tolerate that. Period Sent on the Now Network��� from my Sprint� Miguel Jun 19, 2010 9:37 PM
Re: [humanism-174] How European Tolerance Islamized Turkey - Sorry I meant to say "claiming that intolerance was the best way to Brian R Jun 19, 2010 9:21 PM
Re: [humanism-174] How European Tolerance Islamized Turkey - Brian R Jun 19, 2010 6:38 PM
Re: [humanism-174] capital punishment/abortion/Jim Pfeil - wow..I'm finding myself in total agreement with Michael..and I love the quote..that's how I feel, also. --- On Sat, 6/19/10, Michael mardell Jun 19, 2010 4:10 PM
Re: [humanism-174] capital punishment/abortion/Jim Pfeil - Yeah I started out on the wrong side of the bed yesterday but I wouldn't leave the group even if I am horrified by the moral conclusions of some here lol. My frien Miguel Jun 19, 2010 3:54 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Freethinker Marriage Counseling - I guess I can't say "good riddance." He certainly clashed with this group, but I had the impression he might be coming around. The few people I've come across who behave that way seem to be acting ou Frank S. Jun 19, 2010 3:26 PM
Re: [humanism-174] capital punishment/abortion/Jim Pfeil - These forums get pretty heated but I have no hate for anyone that disagrees with me. The veiled insults are a part of debate and I admire taking a good shot as giving one. I think Jim was frustrated that his "tone" was continually being misread... ---- T user 9. Jun 19, 2010 1:39 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Would you being willing to be an executioner on the states behalf? ---- Tim Campbell wrote: > By what standards is "retribution" immoral in the first place? Seems to > me that you are trying to establish your own standard of wh user 9. Jun 19, 2010 1:34 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - It would be interesting that if a state voted for capital punishment if they would make people report (like a jury pool) to be the executioner. As for Christians being all over the place Im not that all suprised on logic and rationalized thought being cas user 9. Jun 19, 2010 1:29 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - The death penalty and the Christian r Kevin R. Jun 19, 2010 1:07 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - I looked in the mirror and I didnt see what you apparently see. You makes leaps of logic that escape me. Im arguing against all legal punishment? Look the people who murder without remorse are usually macho types who either dont think they will be caught user 9. Jun 19, 2010 12:35 PM
Re: Ask a Theist Why They Call 911 - Have you ever asked a person who beli Kevin R. Jun 19, 2010 12:33 PM
Re: [humanism-174] The Secret - 911 Operator: This is 911 What Kevin R. Jun 19, 2010 11:59 AM
Re: [humanism-174] The Secret - The m ost important lesson I learned from reading The Secret cover to cover was about The Secret and the body. The Secret clearly states it's not Josh Jun 19, 2010 11:44 AM
The Secret - csicop.org/specialarticles/sho­w/secrets_and_lies/ A personal pet peeve of mine, I loathe the Secret and the twits that march behind it. Sent on the Now Network��� from my Sprint�� BlackBerry Miguel Jun 19, 2010 11:30 AM
Oprah: Bright But Gullible - csicop.org/si/show/oprah_winfr­ey_bright_but_gullible_billion­aire/ Sent on the Now Network��� from my Sprint�� BlackBerry Miguel Jun 19, 2010 11:27 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - user 1. Jun 19, 2010 11:19 AM
Re: [humanism-174] How European Tolerance Islamized Turkey - Tim C. Jun 19, 2010 11:03 AM
Re: [humanism-174] capital punishment/abortion/Jim Pfeil - Tim C. Jun 19, 2010 11:00 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Tim C. Jun 19, 2010 10:53 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - William, This is a garden variety conservative argument. I expected better. In reading between the lines I sense a distaste for sentimental liberal empathetic goo that "just gums up things"! In every murder case there are factors that have to be taken int user 9. Jun 19, 2010 10:18 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - user 1. Jun 19, 2010 9:51 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - I have to agree with MichaelV here.....there has been lots of fancy footwork and some macho postering on this debate....this post pretty much some of my thoughts....well done Michael! ---- MichaelV wrote: > I may be a travel user 9. Jun 19, 2010 9:06 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Christian Dictators - Bruce, i'm afraid you are quite correct.?? Randy On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Bruce Orcutt < [address removed] > wrote: Randy Jun 19, 2010 7:11 AM
Re: [humanism-174] How European Tolerance Islamized Turkey - A few minor points which I hope I won't have to regret making. 1) Re: Europe being less tolerant of Islam than the States, having lived in Britain (my father's country) for ten years and worked as an interpreter with refugees an Ants F. Jun 19, 2010 2:32 AM
capital punishment/abortion/Jim Pfeil - Reading back through the outrage that was the capital punishment thread(s), I see some very good stuff mixed in with all the babbling... some?widely differing?but very rational viewpoints, whether they're emotion-based or not. ? Mark T. Jun 19, 2010 1:22 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Christian Dictators - Preview not available Bruce O. Jun 19, 2010 1:13 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Christian Dictators - Sorry folks, it is late, and i committed a typo. I meant to say "inevitably leads to a Hitler or Stalin" On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Randy < Randy Jun 19, 2010 1:11 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Christian Dictators - Brian, thank you for this salient info. I will have to use this the next time i hear the usual fundie canard about how atheism or "Darwinism" inevitably leads to a Hitler or a Darwin, and we all need to turn back to God, the Bible and the Christ Randy Jun 19, 2010 1:00 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Tim C. Jun 18, 2010 11:18 PM
Christian Dictators - Recently the western media has focus on Islamic dictators i Brian R Jun 18, 2010 11:01 PM
Re: [humanism-174] How European Tolerance Islamized Turkey - I wasn���t condoning radical Muslims who actually perform a Brian R Jun 18, 2010 9:36 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Diana, Thanks for this clear and concise layout of the issue. I agree with almost everything you write except that I'd prefer to see many actual killers imprisoned for life in order to avoi Frank S. Jun 18, 2010 8:40 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - To begin, I reiterate that I feel no pangs of vengeance or retribution, only the application of logic to the situation and take emotion away. I will say that I am disturbed that you continue to dogmatically place your own moral platform above all others. user 2. Jun 18, 2010 8:18 PM
Re: [humanism-174] How European Tolerance Islamized Turkey - They haven advantage of our tolerance and our blind adherence to "multiculturalism". They cynically use freedom of speech and expression to silence those very principles. Their misogony, xenophobia, and violent ways are not our fault. Stop bla Miguel Jun 18, 2010 7:01 PM
Re: [humanism-174] How European Tolerance Islamized Turkey - A verse often overshadowed by the lack of similar verses and the plethora of suras that say the exact opposite. You can cherry pick but the problem with that is the other stuff is in there. Islam is a religion of conquest, plain and simple. Ye Miguel Jun 18, 2010 6:24 PM
Re: [humanism-174] How European Tolerance Islamized Turkey - And that's different from the end of the bible how? While I'll adm Brian R Jun 18, 2010 5:26 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Just a side note-- when I mentioned "...did I just see what I saw.." I was not talking about eyewitness testimony which is often flawed, but the admission of a tape of the crime and the jury seeing it first hand. ---- Don Boos wrote user 2. Jun 18, 2010 4:59 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Mark, Great ideas. Of course, I think I saw that movie too. I have to say that I completely agree with the idea of social separation with a suicide option. This seems the most logical with reference to the feelings and morals of the jailers and e user 2. Jun 18, 2010 4:56 PM
Re: [humanism-174] How European Tolerance Islamized Turkey - Have you actually read the whole Koran? I have and it is a bloody engine of destruction. I would recommend you read the End of Faith by Sam Harris as he illuminates the reasons behind the metaphysical thought process of Islam. Furthermore the Miguel Jun 18, 2010 4:45 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Tim C. Jun 18, 2010 4:36 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Tim C. Jun 18, 2010 4:35 PM
Re: [humanism-174] How European Tolerance Islamized Turkey - This article could not be further from the truth. The reason that European muslims are more in your words, "ismalized" than American muslims is becuase whe Brian R Jun 18, 2010 4:30 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Praise the FSM! Thank you Mark! Lol the only thing I would add (again) would be that it costs more to execute someone than to incarcerate someone. Sent on the No Miguel Jun 18, 2010 4:27 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Although I'm generally opposed to capital punishment, largely because of the way its so often hande Jay D. G. Jun 18, 2010 4:07 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Well maybe there is a misunderstanding. I kept saying self defense is fine (Josh and I aren't Quake Ginger Jun 18, 2010 3:45 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - I agree with Diana as long as there is not a shadow of doubt that the person is guilty. Not just when a jury renders a guilty verdict.�� Evidence has many degrees of validity. An unbiased scientific study can determine how much value each piece of evi user 2. Jun 18, 2010 3:28 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Are you back peddling? You have been talking about hitting someone even once you are out of harm's Ginger Jun 18, 2010 3:21 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - You have been talking about hitting someone even once you are out of harm's way. Yes, you can be ch Ginger Jun 18, 2010 3:09 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Whether or not capital punishment is a deterrent should absolutely be the issue. It doesn't seem to be- therefore let's phase it out & replace it with life separation from society (8 x 8 cell w/minimal amenties, no social contact) Mark T. Jun 18, 2010 3:09 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - I will surely be labeled as cold and inhumane, but I do not see it as taking more life. I see it as elimination of a bain to society, and somehow that is logical to me, and follows my moral code. To be successful in business or in life we allocate r user 2. Jun 18, 2010 3:00 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - This to me is less a matter of pride, and more a matter of rage. ---- Jim Pfeil wrote: > Wow! That guy was a retard. I couldn't imagine leaving my wife all beat up like that with no medical or emotional support. Duuuhh, I mus user 2. Jun 18, 2010 2:47 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Having gone through all the emotional and intellectual arguments (and I can understand both sides) so far I just cant be for the death penalty. On a personal level I just cant pull the switch nor do I like someone doing it in my name. I realize some peopl user 9. Jun 18, 2010 2:37 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Jim - I would be very observant of where we were. I would be able to tell if someone was showing belligerence, hostility, or any ill-will towards Ginger.&n Josh Jun 18, 2010 2:32 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Finally a reasoned argument and I agree with many of your points Diana but what need is there to take more life. Has not enough blood been spilled It still smacks of vengeance and not justice. And I see no reason to dismiss what you have to sa Miguel Jun 18, 2010 2:30 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - If Josh put his pride above my safety and welfare, I'd be pissed as hell. If Josh risked his own sa Ginger Jun 18, 2010 2:26 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - I'll let him answer for himself, but I hope he'd help me to get away and/or dial 911 before worryin Ginger Jun 18, 2010 1:57 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - On what planet is this considered appropriate discussion?!?!?! How did Josh get into this????? On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Jim Pfeil < [address removed] > Maria Jun 18, 2010 1:55 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - ��� user 2. Jun 18, 2010 1:39 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Thank you for being clear about what you are all about. Ginger Jun 18, 2010 1:27 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Jim, I'm curious. Could you tell me, if Wladimir Klitchko hit you in the face for no apparent reason, would you hit him back? I just want to know if common sense will ever trump pride. Maria Jun 18, 2010 1:26 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - It wasn't a plea, but a rhetorical device. Also I must point out that not one of you have reasonably defended your position on the death penalty. The reasons you have given me I am accustomed to hearing from those on the American Right, based Miguel Jun 18, 2010 1:06 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Frank S. Jun 18, 2010 12:42 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Are you assuming most people would? If so, I am disappointed. Wouldn't my first concern be my own s Ginger Jun 18, 2010 12:28 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Mark B. Jun 18, 2010 12:26 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Tim C. Jun 18, 2010 12:20 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Tim C. Jun 18, 2010 12:18 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - I feel this way, also.. --- On Fri, 6/18/10, Ginger <[address removed]> wrote: mardell Jun 18, 2010 12:16 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Tim C. Jun 18, 2010 12:16 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Capital Punishment - Tim C. Jun 18, 2010 12:11 PM

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