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Re: Economic Disaster movie - If you want to see an interesting flick about economics, there's one on Google video called "Money as Debt". It's in cartoon format, 47 minutes long, and is well worth your time. In fact, after reading the synopsis of I.O.U.S.A. on IMDB, I'm no Debbie Aug 24, 2008 8:16 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Tot starved AND our reaction - Sorry for the late reply on this very good post by Josh- we had a real busy week around here, and I'm just now going through some of the past week's group correspondences... Josh said: Mark T. Aug 24, 2008 3:09 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Economic Disaster movie - Preview not available user 2. Aug 24, 2008 1:06 AM
Re: [humanism-174] psychic - Islamic fasting invovles not eating and drinking from dawn until dusk, for one month a year. In addition to making you "chaste" and strengthening your relationship with God, many Muslims claim, it is a healthy habit as it gives your digestive system a Hos Aug 23, 2008 8:36 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Economic Disaster movie - Preview not available user 2. Aug 23, 2008 4:43 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Economic Disaster movie - Preview not available Cloudberry Aug 23, 2008 12:50 PM
Economic Disaster movie - Marni H. Aug 23, 2008 12:30 PM
Making a Difference in our Communities - Hi everyone - "Make a Difference Day Ohio" is Saturday, October 25. I think it would be a great idea for us to think about doing something to help our community on this day. Depending on what we decide, we might need to organize to r Marni H. Aug 23, 2008 10:30 AM
Re: [humanism-174] psychic - I'm not sure why fasting would constitute an experiment to validate or invalidate psychic phenomena, but if you decide to go ahead, I hope you'll post. Please, please, please also check with your doctor to make sure that you don't do your health any Cloudberry Aug 23, 2008 9:18 AM
[humanism-174] another George Carlin clip - user 7. Aug 23, 2008 5:57 AM
Re: [humanism-174] The Faces of Budhism - I strongly recommend the Einstein exhibit at the Great Lakes Science Center, if you haven't seen it. The man was a scientific genius, and a highly admirable humanitarian and social activist. But that doesn't excuse the fact that he was a bad parent. H Hos Aug 22, 2008 2:11 PM
[Fwd: Socrates Cafe....Saturday Morning!] - Preview not available Cloudberry Aug 22, 2008 1:34 PM
Re: Re: [humanism-174] another George Carlin clip - user 7. Aug 22, 2008 12:20 PM
Re: [humanism-174] The Faces of Budhism - You make a good point, Hos. That's the trouble with religion, I think. No matter what the religion, some of its teachings are nice...and tell people to be kind to others. That's the sugar. But if you accept the religion as your own, you are expected to Cloudberry Aug 22, 2008 11:24 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Movie on our economic future - Are you guys going to see it? Seems it may be a good movie. I can join you if you will be there tonight. Just let me know which theater. I'm familiar with Severance Circle. Hos On 8/21/08, Marni Tiborsky wrote: > Has anyone Hos Aug 21, 2008 12:39 PM
Movie on our economic future - Has anyone heard of the movie I.O.U.S.A.? It's a documentary that is supposed to be downright startling about what we are leaving future generations as far as debt in this country. It's showing currently at Severance Town Center in C Marni H. Aug 21, 2008 11:59 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Was great-grandma a spy? - This is about the recent news that Julia Child was in espionage for the US government, and the fact that the link I'd sent before didn't work. I'd tried to give out a shortcut. I didn't realize it would time out and not let you back in. It took me Cloudberry Aug 20, 2008 9:43 PM
Re: [humanism-174] creation - It seems it not just acceptable, it is expected. Incidentally, does me likeing something make it true? Gee, they didn't teach me that in kindergarden. On 8/20/08, Hos Aug 20, 2008 5:52 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fw: Vote - Thanks, Mardell. This is the poll I was looking for. I've voted. mardell wrote: > I'm sending this to every non-christian!! we're losing on this but we > can still vote..mardell > ----- > > Here's your chance to let the media know where the peop Cloudberry Aug 20, 2008 5:24 PM
Fw: Vote - mardell Aug 20, 2008 2:22 PM
Re: [humanism-174] error, here's the link corrected - "ARC Time-Out Your ARC session was inactive for more than 30 minutes and has been timed-out." Linky no worky. On Fri, Aug user 5. Aug 20, 2008 12:57 PM
Re: [humanism-174] 57% feel god trumps doctors - I love the one comment attached to the article-- "If god heals me, does that mean I don't have to pay the hospital bill?" Beth On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Cloudberry user 5. Aug 20, 2008 12:50 PM
Re: [humanism-174] creation - Barf. Is it acceptable in the practice of finding "happiness" to lie through the teeth to yourself with elements of delusion? Just....yuck. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 1 user 5. Aug 20, 2008 12:14 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Orgasm as a "Happy Accident" - I would imagine that because A) In utero, men and women start out the same in their nether-zones, and, B) Women actually have more pleasure-inducing tissue/nerve endings than men do, that we would both have the ability. It's all t user 5. Aug 20, 2008 12:00 PM
Re: [humanism-174] creation - I agree, Mark, and the fact that some of what they say is reasonable only serves like the sugar to make the medicine of their new age religion go down. IMHO! Anyhow, I've unsubscribed to this newsletter, because I can't take it any more, even though Cloudberry Aug 20, 2008 11:08 AM
Re: [humanism-174] creation - "What feels better, to believe that life is hard and difficult and disappointing, or to believe that life is an adventure, an opportunity to explore your own true nature?" I do Mark T. Aug 20, 2008 12:35 AM
today's mini-meet - Hi All, We're looking forward to the Wednesday Mini-Meet! Just a few reminders & notes... Our address is 402 Harris Rd., Richmond Hei Mark T. Aug 20, 2008 12:05 AM
Re: [humanism-174] 57% feel god trumps doctors - That 20% of doctors is rather scary. I hope they don't close their eyes and pray while they dig around and snip and stitch. If I had to guess, all the doctors I've ever had probably fit into that 20%. I saw that poll, and I voted. Guess which way? A Cloudberry Aug 19, 2008 2:02 PM
57% feel god trumps doctors - 57% feel prayer can save a patient with a poor prognosis where treatment is futile. 20% of doctors agree. Ginger Aug 19, 2008 1:17 PM
creation - Not again! See the excerpt below, from Healthy Wealthy nWise: " is designed for your joy. It's designed to allow you to experience ever-increasing fulfillment..." "What feels better, to believe that you are alone in the world and that y Cloudberry Aug 19, 2008 10:01 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Tot starved AND our reaction - Just like Andrea Yates. Hos <[address removed]> wrote: Even though I don't want to sound political, I think thi Ginger Aug 18, 2008 8:33 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Tot starved AND our reaction - Even though I don't want to sound political, I think this quote from Obama is in order. "If we saw Abraham lifting his knife to kill Issac, we would have to call the police and the child welfare agency. Because we didn't see what he saw, we didn't hea Hos Aug 18, 2008 8:18 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Tot starved AND our reaction - Call me cynical, but I see religion as just one champion of dogma among many. Religion is just a branch. You can cut it off, but another will grow in it's place and there are many other branches to worry about as well. If you want to take down the t Josh Aug 18, 2008 12:29 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Tot starved AND our reaction - The story about starving a toddler to death for not saying amen was horrifying, and I agree that it would be unfair to cast all followers of Christianity (or any other religion) in the same light. However, it's clear that those people took their rel Cloudberry Aug 18, 2008 10:21 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Tot starved AND our reaction - Great post, David! I find myself thinking about these things a lot. I think it boils down to curbing our reactionary tendencies, whether we're religious or nonreligious, liberal or conservative, etc.. Mark T. Aug 18, 2008 12:37 AM
Re: Tot starved AND our reaction - Hi, all. As upsetting as the religious starving of the child is, I'm really glad to see the reasoned responses to this on this listserve. I think it's easy to immediately react to this and blame religion for all p David Aug 17, 2008 9:18 PM
RE: [humanism-174] It's been a blast - Ok, so no one freaks out - John has decided there is too much going on right now, and he's taking a break, so he left CFT and Meetup for a while, but he'll be back eventually! Marni -----Original Message----- From: [address removed] [m Marni H. Aug 17, 2008 12:00 PM
Re: [humanism-174] It's been a blast - You're leaving the group? john f kaiser wrote: > So long and thanks for all the fish. > > > > > > > -- > Please Note: If you hit "REPLY", your message will be sent to everyone on this mailing list ([address removed]) > http://hum Cloudberry Aug 17, 2008 11:32 AM
Re: [humanism-174] The Faces of Budhism - Well, I have heard the arguement before, that what makes anything violent is human interpretation, not religions and idealogies per se. I guess that could be said about Nazism too, after all, not all Nazis were muderers. As Bill Maher said the other d Hos Aug 17, 2008 9:52 AM
Re: [humanism-174] The Ethics of Secularism - This editorial by Paul Kurtz is well worth reading. Thanks for sharing the link! Mark Tiborsky wrote: > Excellent!!! > I'm with you, Gordon. I highly recommend this... Kurtz speaks for me, > that's for sure. It made me feel pretty good! > > On Cloudberry Aug 17, 2008 8:01 AM
The Faces of Budhism - I think it may be time to talk a little about Budhism, as this has come up recently. All religions in the world are practiced in different ways, depending on where and by whom they are practiced. Budhism is no exception. But if you want to see what a Hos Aug 16, 2008 5:19 PM
Re: [humanism-174] The Ethics of Secularism - Excellent!!! I'm with you, Gordon. I highly recommend this... Kurtz speaks for me, that's for sure. It made me feel pretty good! On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 6:38 PM, G Mark T. Aug 16, 2008 3:31 PM
The Ethics of Secularism - Cleveland Freethinkers, I just finished reading Paul Kurtz's offering in the latest issue of Free Inquiry . It's titled "The Ethics of Secularism" and it's a wonderful editorial. I'd like to encourage every Gordon Aug 15, 2008 6:38 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Bill Maher - Thanks. I think the best thing people can do to support him is subscribe to HBO. I am sure HBO gets lots of letters from everyone but bc they have no sponsors, subsciption numbers are all they care about. Does anyone know of HBO ever bowing to pressure? T Ginger Aug 15, 2008 2:50 PM
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Was your relative a government spy? - Have you seen the news story about the role Julia Child played for the government, around the time that she met her husband? You can enter your relatives' names and find out if any of them were also helping the war effort as spies, etc. Here's the Cloudberry Aug 15, 2008 1:07 PM
Re: [humanism-174] bill maher show - What's funny is that I never noticed any foul language. And it would never bother me. Shows you what I am used to. :) Joanne Rilling <[address removed]> wrote: Ginger Aug 15, 2008 12:31 PM
Re: [humanism-174] bill maher show - I would generally agree. I loved the show, too. My biggest problems with Maher are- his characterization of mainstream medicine vs. "holistic" (not in the show last night but he has some other goofy views), and his perceptions of men and women. I agreed w Ginger Aug 15, 2008 10:18 AM
Re: [humanism-174] bill maher show - As for the 9-11 hecklers, even if they're right about it being a planned demolition in cooperation with our own government (and I'm not saying they are), it wasn't Bush that planned it. As Bill Maher said, that calls for planning. And thinking. Two Cloudberry Aug 15, 2008 10:16 AM
bill maher show - Bill Maher put on an excellent show tonight- just about 2 hrs. with hardly a wasted moment! He skewered a lot of things that deserve skewering. His use of F-word was a tad heavy, that's about the only Mark T. Aug 15, 2008 12:57 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Police: Tot starved for refusing to say 'amen' - Extreme examples of tragedies happen within all ideologies. There have been stories of health nuts or "vegans" (who weren't really following typical recommended vegan diets) charged with starving or killing their children as well. I think the s Ginger Aug 14, 2008 10:23 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Police: Tot starved for refusing to say 'amen' - The story of abraham teaches us to put faith above our own children! Its no wonder. Joanna <[address removed]> wrote: Ginger Aug 13, 2008 7:27 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Chik-Fil-A - Marni H. Aug 13, 2008 7:00 PM
Re: [humanism-174] to soul or not to soul, and a change of subject - Well, if Jesus is still with God the father-who is himself by the way-then what does that make of "he died for your sins"? On 8/13/08, Cloudberry wrote: > I may not have been clear in my last post about the soul...I meant t Hos Aug 13, 2008 4:37 PM
to soul or not to soul, and a change of subject - I may not have been clear in my last post about the soul...I meant to say that if you believe that humans are the only creatures that have one, and that having a soul means that we will live in another form after death for all eternity, couldn't tha Cloudberry Aug 13, 2008 4:20 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Chik-Fil-A - Preview not available Hos Aug 13, 2008 1:37 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Chik-Fil-A - Preview not available Cloudberry Aug 13, 2008 12:00 PM
Re: [humanism-174] China & The Olympics - Michael- I totally agree. I dvr'd the opening ceremonies and have watched them 3 times since. I'm still stunned. It's not just the shear beauty, scale and precision, it's that the performers seem genuinely happy, excited and proud to be a part of Josh Aug 13, 2008 11:33 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Chik-Fil-A - Wow, I'm busy for a few days and this list explodes!!! I'll start with the food topic. I'm not sure if this is total coincidence, but Mano Singham (a local Case professor whom many in the Freethinkers already know or have heard of) has spent the las Josh Aug 13, 2008 11:20 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Chik-Fil-A - Preview not available coreyhaines Aug 13, 2008 9:54 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Chik-Fil-A - Marni H. Aug 13, 2008 7:58 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Chik-Fil-A - Jason said: "Eating meat greatly increased brain capacity during human evolution." There is evidence to support this- however, anthropologists contend that meat was Mark T. Aug 13, 2008 12:26 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: protected species rules - Jason, I sincerely hope that at least some of these practitioners of "shoot, shovel, shut-up" had the whistle blown on them, & faced heavy fines (or better yet, are sitting in prison as I sp Mark T. Aug 12, 2008 11:38 PM
Re: [humanism-174] China & The Olympics - The synchronized diving was fantastic. I'm no athlete and never was, but I enjoy watching the games. I heard a conservative talk show host slamming liberals for being against the Olympics. But I'm a liberal, and I would have been very upset if the U Cloudberry Aug 12, 2008 9:37 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Chik-Fil-A - And one more thing. In any advocacy movement, there is a lot of crap info being peddled, but I stand behind the information distributed by a tiny group called­dvocacy/resources.html takes you to these great Ginger Aug 12, 2008 7:53 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Chik-Fil-A - Also know that I have spent at least 10 years discussing this with people, and there aren't a lot of arguments I haven't heard or know how to respond to, so if anyone feels they are in the minority on this, I have your back. :) But I total Ginger Aug 12, 2008 7:49 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Chik-Fil-A - Lydia, Actually, I believe these 2 topics ARE relevant to the group's description- they both relate to religion, politics, philosophy, and science. They also relate to Humankind's warped rela Mark T. Aug 12, 2008 7:18 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Chik-Fil-A - I think evolutionary history is relevant, in that the food our ancestors evolved to digest likely is still a good source of nutrition for us today. Besides, since we are an animal species, I find it hard to think that we can be "guilty" of a physiologi Hos Aug 12, 2008 5:58 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Chik-Fil-A - What our ancestors did is irrelevant. (argument from tradition) How we evolved is irrelevent. Dawkins often says that evolution is not moral imperative. We also wouldn't be where we are today evolutionarily. without rape, murder, and genocide. What's Ginger Aug 12, 2008 5:02 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Chik-Fil-A - That's an interesting perspective! Good point. On the other hand, when my children were babies, and I fed them baby food out of jars, they wrinkled their noses when I introduced meat the first few times. This was not true for fruit purees, grains, o Cloudberry Aug 12, 2008 10:32 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Chik-Fil-A - user 2. Aug 12, 2008 10:19 AM
Re: protected species rules - Not to open another can of worms, but its been said that the endangered species act has done more harm to endangered species than good. However its hard to determine the numbers. When endangered animals are discov Jason Aug 12, 2008 10:18 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Chik-Fil-A - I grew up on a farm, and have been a hunter since I was young. Many of Jason Aug 12, 2008 9:54 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Chik-Fil-A - Joanna said: "It's just unexpected that a bunch of atheists and freethinkers would spend this amount of time considering animals this way..." Mark T. Aug 12, 2008 12:26 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Chik-Fil-A - Since these are bound to come up, let me just get them out of the way, the typical responses to arguments on behalf of factory farmed animals. Perfect as the enemy of the good- You can't live your life without harming a Ginger Aug 11, 2008 2:11 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Chik-Fil-A - I've heard of this Chik-Fil-A chain but have never been to one, and now I'm glad. For info on how chickens are raised check out the literary-fantasy novel, Fresh Eggs, by local author Rob Levandoski. Levandoski grew up on a farm and has told me t Cloudberry Aug 11, 2008 10:11 AM
Re: [humanism-174] What Would Jesus Buy - Hahahaha!!! John, you're a genius! I can't wait to tell our nephew about these modifications... we're going to see him later this week. I forgot to mention that Mark T. Aug 10, 2008 10:24 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fw: I Think You Qualify - Interesting. I actually had about 6 of those. And the thing is, if the guy knew I were atheist, he'd probably assume I had zero. These things make me sick because they don't understand that majority rules without the bill of rights is like two wolv Ginger Aug 10, 2008 8:13 PM
Fw: I Think You Qualify - mardell Aug 10, 2008 6:45 PM
Re: [humanism-174] What Would Jesus Buy - Spirituality morphing into commercialism. How shocking. Not. On 8/10/08, john f kaiser wrote: > You should send that to the writing staff at Saturday Night Live. They could > do a whole skit on the White Light Specials and th Hos Aug 10, 2008 6:43 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Dr.s and expression of religion in practice - I think that mild expressions of religious beliefs by small businesses are innocuous, as are mild expressions of political affiliation. But kicked up to the corporate scale, it really creeps me out! I' Mark T. Aug 10, 2008 5:57 PM
Re: [humanism-174] What Would Jesus Buy - That's ok- let 'em waste their money! Our nephew, T.J., who really should be a member of this group- but he hasn't joined up yet, 'cause he's a slacker like his uncle- had a great idea Mark T. Aug 10, 2008 3:32 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Converting Sinners on a TV show - Reality TV - UK style - Nice link. Thanks, John. Let's hope that doesn't spawn a similar show this side of the pond! About England, I haven't heard anything to indicate that the Queen is no longer the head of the Church of England, which is the state-sponsored church. I be Cloudberry Aug 10, 2008 2:00 PM
CNN: God's Warriors - Any CFT member: I taped the program for anyone who missed it. I'll give some copies to Mark & Marni for whoever wants one whenever I make it to a meetup. My Ray G. Aug 10, 2008 12:25 PM
new member update & stuff - Hi Everybody, This week, we welcome 7 new Cleveland Freethinkers... Brian, NJS, David Krej Ci, Ashley, Robert O. Drake, Ray V., and Maggie Iverson!!! Mark T. Aug 10, 2008 2:31 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Dr.s and expression of religion in practice - Change that to "a religious fanatic" and I would agree. In fact, I don't fully trust any type of fanatic. 2 atheist fanatics, Stalin & Mao Zedong, were unquestionably 2 of the biggest ah Mark T. Aug 9, 2008 9:47 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Entire "Marjoe" documentary on Youtube - Preview not available Cloudberry Aug 9, 2008 6:07 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Dr.s and expression of religion in practice - Preview not available user 2. Aug 9, 2008 4:14 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Dr.s and expression of religion in practice - Since most of the people here were believers as some point, were they all untrustworthy until they dropped that belief? From the point of view of someone very interested in skepticism as well as cognitive psychology, the instant you start thinking Ginger Aug 9, 2008 3:28 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Entire "Marjoe" documentary on Youtube - Marni H. Aug 9, 2008 3:07 PM
Re: Dr.s and expression of religion in practice - user 7. Aug 9, 2008 2:33 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Entire "Marjoe" documentary on Youtube - At about 1:25 in part 1, little Marjoe is marrying a couple and it looks like a clip taken right from an old "Little Rascals" film. HA! Gordon <[address removed]> wrote: Gordon Aug 9, 2008 12:54 PM
Entire "Marjoe" documentary on Youtube - Looks like someone has posted the entire "Marjoe" documentary on youtube. If you guys haven't seen this, it's worth watching. Marjoe Gortner hits the road as a traveling Pentecostal preacher and shows just how easy it is to get people to believe he's Gordon Aug 9, 2008 12:49 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Dr.s and expression of religion in practice - Preview not available Nathaniel Aug 8, 2008 9:40 PM
Re: [humanism-174] De-Baptism more press coverage - I can't say what the writer meant, but I took it as a tongue-in-cheek reference to being just regular folk. Not all religious pot lucks are comfortable and not all religious speakers are dynamic, right? Same with school meetings...I used to dread the m Cloudberry Aug 8, 2008 8:06 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Dr.s and expression of religion in practice - Preview not available Cloudberry Aug 8, 2008 7:56 PM
Re: [humanism-174] God's Warriors - That is a little better, but only a little. I think it's no accident that the words have been chosen so the initials spell out army. What they do seems good, kind, and helpful now, but what if one day a church leader says it's time to be a real army Cloudberry Aug 8, 2008 7:54 PM
RE: [humanism-174] God's Warriors - Marni H. Aug 8, 2008 6:56 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Dr.s and expression of religion in practice - Tracy said: "The impression I get from this group is this: We whine how much this is a Christian nation and how much it may or may not suck, but I think we lose sight that if we expec Mark T. Aug 8, 2008 6:36 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Dr.s and expression of religion in practice - user 2. Aug 8, 2008 4:09 PM

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