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RE: [humanism-174] FW: Not new, but well said - Corey, you hit the nail on the head. I just found a really interesting article: http://foi.missouri.edu/civill­iberties/indivisible.html How sad it is..... -Marni -----Original Message----- From: [address removed] [mailto:humanism-174@meet Marni T. Oct 27, 2007 6:37 PM
Re: [humanism-174] FW: Not new, but well said - It is a product of the cultural revisionist history that has been propagated through the last century. Ask people how long "Under God" has been on our money. Ask how long the Pledge of Allegiance has been around, much less including the phrase "Under G coreyhaines Oct 27, 2007 6:30 PM
Re: [humanism-174] FW: Not new, but well said - It's funny how people like their myths. And when someone questions them, some individuals can become quite upset. chris <[address removed]> wrote: Gordon Oct 27, 2007 6:20 PM
Re: [humanism-174] FW: Not new, but well said - Yes, I guess indoctrination is the key. What seems so strange (I guess not, really) is that there are individuals that I know who only go to church like once a year, and many of them think our country is founded on Christianity. I guess the question to as Gordon Oct 27, 2007 6:16 PM
Re: [humanism-174] FW: Not new, but well said - Okay, I think I understand. So, you subscribe to the interpretation that Jesus was an anarchist? I think I've heard this thought before in other places. This idea is interesting to me, since the texts can mostly be attributed to post-orthodoxy; it s coreyhaines Oct 27, 2007 5:37 PM
Re: [humanism-174] FW: Not new, but well said - So, the quote is saying that taxation is our way of paying for the services that those we pay provide. I'm still unsure where the warning about being debt to the state? A warning to keep yourself from becoming reliant on a government, as that locks yo coreyhaines Oct 27, 2007 5:23 PM
Re: [humanism-174] FW: Not new, but well said - Sort of a "they made the money in order to control us by making us work just to give it back to them?" On 10/27/07, chris wrote: > Who coined the money? > > > > > > coreyhaines wrote: > > Ah, I was just adding to > > > coreyhaines Oct 27, 2007 4:59 PM
Re: [humanism-174] FW: Not new, but well said - Ah, I was just adding to " I'm still looking for passages where Christ had anything to say about the proper role of government." I guess I've never looked at it as a warning. How do you get that interpretation from the "Render Caeser" quote? -C coreyhaines Oct 27, 2007 4:42 PM
Re: [humanism-174] FW: Not new, but well said - "Render unto Caesar..." On 10/27/07, chris wrote: > Ask them to define these Christian principals,they can't. It's a > myth,right up there with America can do no wrong and 'all we need is the > right person in charge.'. > > coreyhaines Oct 27, 2007 4:24 PM
Re: [humanism-174] FW: Not new, but well said - Ah, good old great lakes! Christmas Ale is here! Always have at least one rough day following a christmas ale night. :) I've started trying to only drink local beers as much as possible, in order to minimize the amount of energy required to transport coreyhaines Oct 27, 2007 4:23 PM
Re: [humanism-174] FW: Not new, but well said - I think it because most people are indoctrinated from youth with the idea that christianity is it. A lot of people just aren't exposed to enlightenment era thoughts. When you mention "deism" to some people, they just scratch their heads and say, "well, coreyhaines Oct 27, 2007 4:08 PM
Re: [humanism-174] FW: Not new, but well said - Wow! I'm thinking you probably could blame a heck of a lot more on that Molson Ice. UGH! :) On 10/27/07, chris wrote: > Your right,after I sent the message the concept of xenia popped into my > head and general reciprocation. coreyhaines Oct 27, 2007 4:04 PM
Re: [humanism-174] FW: Not new, but well said - Good points Chris and Corey, but what I'm wondering is why it seems that so many people think that this country was founded on christian principals when it obviously was not. It seems to me that even many people who I wouldn't consider religious  Gordon Oct 27, 2007 3:58 PM
Re: [humanism-174] FW: Not new, but well said - the "golden rule" is a major teaching in one form or another in most all of the major religions , including a lot that have been around for a lot longer than x-anity. -Corey On 10/27/07, chris wrote: > What Christian princ coreyhaines Oct 27, 2007 3:15 PM
Re: [humanism-174] FW: Not new, but well said - Thanks for sending this Marni. It seems like people have forgotten or are ignorant to the fact that the Founders (or the vast majority of them) were not Christians. How has this happened? I know that certain Christian Fundamentalists love to try and hamme Gordon Oct 27, 2007 2:27 PM
FW: Not new, but well said - Gordon, here was what I was mentioning last night that was sent to us from Charles Pervo. Everyone, I feel this needs to be reiterated time and again to the majority of people who are ignorant about our country's founding. This is what I say should be Marni T. Oct 26, 2007 6:51 PM
newest members - Freethinkers, The past month has been our best yet! They just keep on comin'... Today we welcome three more new members- Eric, Fredrick Lee Jr., and Josh! Mark T. Oct 24, 2007 11:15 PM
Re: [humanism-174] one away from 50 - Welcome to the group, Brian! Well, technically you're #48- you joined us before Matt Cavotta did. If I had typed 'Brian and Matt Cavotta' it might've insinuated that you guys were related! &n Mark T. Oct 23, 2007 6:23 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Neat organization - On 10/23/[masked]:27 AM Maude wrote: > I figured humanists would be the right people to point this out to. Now, > keep in mind, there are lots of xtians who contribute and post "Wants" > for poor families in their churches. I got a "god bless" on my > ken Oct 23, 2007 2:13 PM
Re: [humanism-174] one away from 50 - Should I feel robbed that I was oh so close to the coveted 50 mark, only to be left behind? Was that new member list respective (am I number 49?). Also, I ask that you don't pass judgment on me merely because I' user 4. Oct 23, 2007 2:07 PM
Re: [humanism-174] philosophy meeting in Oberlin Thursday October 25, 2007 - On 10/22/[masked]:22 PM Maude wrote: > Oberlin is a wee far. But, next time there is one in Berea I would like > to go. Sounds like fun. > .... It is fun, actually. We've been meetings monthly for about a year, all in Berea... at a pretty nice cafe ken Oct 23, 2007 2:07 PM
Re: [humanism-174] philosophy meeting in Oberlin Thursday October 25, 2007 - If it's any consolation, the philosophy meeting at Java Zone will be kenless also. Something came up yesterday right after I posted about it here which boffos it for me. :( But there's next month. On 10/22/[masked]:13 PM Mark Tiborsky wrote: > ken Oct 23, 2007 2:00 PM
We are at a milestone! - Welcome, Eric! You get the "virtual" prize (what can I say, we're broke - can't afford a real one :) ) for being our 50th member :) We look forward to your stimulating contributions! On a side note, just to remind the new members and Marni T. Oct 23, 2007 12:40 PM
Re: [humanism-174] one away from 50 - Why, Maude... I am AGES away from the milestone of 50... I am a strapping young lad of 46! On 10/22/07, Maude < [address removed] > wrote: Mark T. Oct 22, 2007 11:08 PM
one away from 50 - Oh great minds which are free of the shackles of dogma, We welcome two new members today- Matt Cavotta and Brian! The next person to join gets a gold star for being our 50th member... Mark T. Oct 22, 2007 9:53 PM
Re: [humanism-174] philosophy meeting in Oberlin Thursday October 25, 2007 - But riling is fun! Shoot- same night, ay? Not another Kenless meetup! On 10/22/07, ken < [address removed] Mark T. Oct 22, 2007 9:13 PM
Re: [humanism-174] philosophy meeting in Oberlin Thursday October 25, 2007 - Hmm. Somehow I neglected to mention that the meeting is from 7pm - 9pm. On 10/22/[masked]:36 AM ken wrote: > Oberlin is pretty far west for some folks, especially eastsiders, but > some here might want to come to a philosophy discussion this Thursd ken Oct 22, 2007 7:52 AM
philosophy meeting in Oberlin Thursday October 25, 2007 - Oberlin is pretty far west for some folks, especially eastsiders, but some here might want to come to a philosophy discussion this Thursday coming up. (We normally meet in Berea, so this is a bit of a location change.) We haven't specified a topic, ken Oct 22, 2007 7:36 AM
Re: [humanism-174] silliness - Oh man- I just looked at the slideshow. I could feel my (usually 110/70) blood pressure ascending! Their very premise is absolutely absurd. I have to keep telling myself that those who believe in c Mark T. Oct 21, 2007 11:43 PM
Re: [humanism-174] silliness - It is very scary. Personally, I think it would be only tolerable with ample alcohol. There have been some fantastic slideshows of the museum. It is frightening to see the pictures, mostly because the people in the background of the pictures are standin coreyhaines Oct 21, 2007 12:57 PM
Re: [humanism-174] silliness - That would be a gas, wouldn't it? It would be fun to go there not aiming for disruption (I'm sure they've had plenty of that already), but to scoff a bit & take notes for future blog posts & such. Mark T. Oct 21, 2007 12:45 PM
Re: [humanism-174] silliness - Answers in genesis would be a harmless fun thing to read if people didn't actually believe it. I've been planning on getting a group of people together and heading down to the creationist museum with t-shirts that say: "I got kicked out of the creatio coreyhaines Oct 21, 2007 8:43 AM
newest members - Purveyors of freethought, This week we welcome 3 new members- Jan, Sharisse, and Shawn Troy! Mark T. Oct 20, 2007 10:34 PM
silliness - I have seeneth thine enemy, and his nameth is Ken Ham. This is stupid. Check it out though, it's worthy! http://www.answersingenesis.or­g/ Mark T. Oct 20, 2007 1:17 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Question of the Week - Normally, my top issue is the environment- but lately, my biggest concern is putting an end to U.S. imperialism. I guess "the war" figures in with that. I will be focusing on the 'big picture' for the '08 elections- really, the Mark T. Oct 19, 2007 12:20 AM
Reminder - Marni T. Oct 18, 2007 8:00 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Faith, or The Virus - Certain fundamentalist forms of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are more like "the Black Plague". On 10/16/07, Michael < suijur Mark T. Oct 17, 2007 12:17 AM
Re: [humanism-174] the-atheist-indoctrination-pro­ject - Thanks John, this is a fascinating article. Indoctrination? Really? Is that what Dawkins, Hitchens, etc... and obviously to a much lesser extent, The Cleveland Freethinkers, are attempting to do? Well, from a typically conser Mark T. Oct 16, 2007 12:55 AM
mystery solved? - Hallelujah! The Cleveland Freethinkers blog is back in its rightful #2 google search spot. Michael, did you have to change any settings or anything? This whole thing is mysterious. Also, I tried searching for a post by t Mark T. Oct 13, 2007 9:15 PM
Re: [humanism-174] strange - Thank you, Ken. What really makes me wonder is, why would go from google result #2 to no result at all, overnight? The bottom line is- for 5 or 6 days, we were publishing... now we are not Mark T. Oct 13, 2007 12:09 PM
Re: [humanism-174] this & that - Would you be talking about Harry's Steakhouse? Marni & I brought that up as a possibility. On 10/13/07, Maude < [address removed] > wrote: Mark T. Oct 13, 2007 11:15 AM
Re: [humanism-174] strange - On 10/12/[masked]:28 PM Mark Tiborsky wrote: > This is strange- for the first few days that our blog was up & running, > it would appear as result #2 in a google search for 'cleveland > freethinkers'. Now, it is nowhere to be found in that search. > An ken Oct 13, 2007 10:24 AM
Re: [humanism-174] this & that - I'll be coming from the Canton/Akron area, so somewhere closer to Rockside Rd. would be better for me. If something further into Cleveland works better for everyone else though, I can handle it. Also, a drink doesn't sound bad, and the dessert case s Gordon Oct 13, 2007 7:02 AM
this & that - Fellow Freethinkers, The two polls on our Meetup page will be closing Monday night- please cast your votes if you haven't done so yet... we'd like to know who we are! Don't for Mark T. Oct 13, 2007 3:11 AM
Re: [humanism-174] strange - Yes- I just find it strange that up 'til 2 days ago, it (blog) would consistently google at #2- that's how I was getting to our blog, 'cause I was to lazy to save it in 'favorites'. (!) Mark T. Oct 12, 2007 11:06 PM
Re: [humanism-174] strange - You never know- sites that show any form of freethought are notorious targets for hacks. Freethought is dangerous! Former member Chaz' website, russellsteapot.com , had something like 2,000 intru Mark T. Oct 12, 2007 11:02 PM
Re: [humanism-174] strange - Is it a 'ping' thing? If our name was in the text, would it stay high up in the search, regardless of 'ping'? On 10/12/07, Mark Tiborsky < Mark T. Oct 12, 2007 10:41 PM
strange - This is strange- for the first few days that our blog was up & running, it would appear as result #2 in a google search for 'cleveland freethinkers'. Now, it is nowhere to be found in that search. Anybody have a clue? Is it a Mark T. Oct 12, 2007 10:28 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Target... us! - Yeah- call me a Pagan, but I don't think there's anything wrong with celebrating the Solstice right along with Christmas & New Year's & Kwaanza & Festivus & everything else. What caused me to lose my 'Christmas spirit& Mark T. Oct 12, 2007 6:21 PM
more new members! - This week we welcome four new members- Daniel, Fred Welty, TonyThai, and Lisa! By the way- very good discussion last night, all. It's great to hear some newer voices chiming in, along with the usual "loud" Mark T. Oct 12, 2007 12:09 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Target... us! - It sure seems like this to me too Michael. I wish I would have written this! Gordon Michael <[address removed]> wrote: Gordon Oct 11, 2007 7:19 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Target... us! - Very, very nice job Mark! Maude <[address removed]> wrote: Gordon Oct 11, 2007 7:06 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Target... us! - Maude, Thanks for sharing this with us. I was raised Catholic, but had many questions and doubts. My older brother had a few books by Ayn Rand and these definitely aroused my curiosity. Years later I picked up a book by Bertrand Russell t Gordon Oct 11, 2007 6:47 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Target... us! - very well said, thank you!!! Michael <[address removed]> wrote: I think that the uproar over this "war on Christmas" i sylvie w. Oct 11, 2007 1:32 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Target... us! - I couldn't agree with you more, Michael. On 10/11/07, Michael < [address removed] > wrote: Mark T. Oct 11, 2007 12:36 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Target... us! - I know you didn't- everyone SHOULD have the freedom to believe... or not. Even "Diablo" Bush said that (Believe it or not). On 10/11/07, Todd Maher < Mark T. Oct 11, 2007 12:34 AM
Re: [humanism-174] This is true.. Research it ASAP or lose your country for good. - Yuk- our nation's economic structure is already completely @!#*!* up- I guess it will only get worse, then? On 10/11/07, Todd Maher < pa Mark T. Oct 11, 2007 12:30 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Target... us! - Thank you, Maude- I appreciate that. I'm slow on the computer, I even type REAL slow- so I did work hard on that one. On 10/11/07, Maude < MLTMC@a Mark T. Oct 11, 2007 12:20 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Target... us! - Also, I believe that we need realities to deal with Humankind's problems- not increased belief in beings or forces that may or may not even exist. On 10/10/07, Todd Maher < Mark T. Oct 11, 2007 12:15 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Target... us! - Todd, You can have 80 Christmas trees & 46 nativity scenes on your property if you like- and one can pray in school all day long if they want to... just as long as everyone else isn't coerced into going along with it. Mark T. Oct 11, 2007 12:11 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Target... us! - I don't think anyone is suggesting that Ben Stein shouldn't have the right to speak his mind. Of course he does. It's just difficult for me to understand someone actually believing that their God would allow innocent people to suffer and die because Gordon Oct 11, 2007 12:06 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Target... us! - I agree- I have so many problems with Stein's statements that I don't even know where to start! Yes! If only everyone could be tunnel-visioned, pious believers... then God would take away all our probl Mark T. Oct 10, 2007 12:42 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Target... us! - Maybe the best statement we can make is to just keep on doing what we're doing- and to spread the word as much as we can. Though there are gzillions of blogs out there, I think it's inevitable that ours will attract some interest. Mark T. Oct 10, 2007 12:20 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Target... us! - I think that is an Excellent idea Michael. Gordon Michael <[address removed]> wrote: Gordon Oct 9, 2007 8:51 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Target... us! - I'm glad that I don't worship a god who has no problem letting innocent people suffer while we atheists and freethinkers turn this country into a terrible place. Is this guy for real?!! It's one thing for Ben Stein and Anne Graham to believe in "God" Gordon Oct 9, 2007 8:50 PM
Target... us! - Freethinkers, Here's a little something sent to us by a loved one that every one of you should read. It relates to a message that Marni sent two or three days ago about Ben Stein's upcoming movie "EXPELLED& Mark T. Oct 9, 2007 7:14 PM
Re: [humanism-174] group exchanges & new faces - Oh poo, Sorry, G actually commented on the thread, "Blog!" Technically, she didn't initiate the discussion thread, but she initiated a discussion. On 10/7/07, Mark T. Oct 7, 2007 10:59 PM
group exchanges & new faces - Alright- there are now three different avenues for group discourse- The good ol' group emails, which I love, but members' inboxes have been flooded a few times because of lengthly debates & such... we shoul Mark T. Oct 7, 2007 10:47 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Polls - Oh, Ok, Thanks. Marni Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote: sylvie w. Oct 7, 2007 8:23 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Polls - Marni T. Oct 7, 2007 8:17 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Polls - Ok, I'm not seeing polls on the blog. What am I missing? Where are they? Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote: sylvie w. Oct 7, 2007 8:11 PM
Richard Dawkins site - Marni T. Oct 7, 2007 1:23 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Polls - Maude, I'm glad you like the polls! Note to all- These two polls will stay open for another week or so: meanwhile, if anyone comes up with an idea for a new poll(s), please let us know! Mark T. Oct 7, 2007 12:14 PM
Quiz - If you have about ten spare minutes, it might be fun to brush up on your knowledge of the separation of church and state. Take this quiz: http://www.ffrf.org/quiz/ffrfq­uiz.php Marni T. Oct 6, 2007 4:27 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Blog - Marni T. Oct 6, 2007 4:08 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Blog - Marni T. Oct 6, 2007 3:53 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Blog - Hey Ken, I see what you mean... I guess Michael would have to do that since he is blog admin? I was actually referring to the 'lil red & white freethinkers meetup tag, which I was Mark T. Oct 6, 2007 1:52 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Blog - Michael, I love the blog. Nice color. Great job!!!!! The "God's friends are nuts" video is hilarious and disturbing at the same time. Sylvie Michael <[address removed]> w sylvie w. Oct 6, 2007 10:24 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Blog - On 10/05/[masked]:24 PM Mark Tiborsky wrote: > Well, last night I posted a new message on our meetup site with a link > to the blog. > We are supposed to be able to add the Cleveland Freethinkers Meetup tag > to the blog, but for some reason blogger wo ken Oct 6, 2007 5:26 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Blog - Well, last night I posted a new message on our meetup site with a link to the blog. We are supposed to be able to add the Cleveland Freethinkers Meetup tag to the blog, but for some reason blogger won't let us. Mark T. Oct 5, 2007 11:24 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Blog - No dictatorships 'round here! I think Marni encountered a similar problem this morning- I was going to ask her but she's already in dreamland. Only Michael knows... I'm still a techno-ignoramous in many ways Mark T. Oct 4, 2007 11:03 PM
polls - Freethinkers, Just for the heck of it, and maybe some demographics, I opened 2 polls on our Meetup site tonight (10/4). Log on & vote when you get a chance... don't worry, your responses are anonymous! Mark T. Oct 4, 2007 9:57 PM
RE: [humanism-174] blog - Marni T. Oct 4, 2007 12:29 AM
blog - Good job getting the blog started, Michael! It's going to take some getting used to for me... I just got frustrated after trying unsuccessfully to get our Meetup tag on there. I do have some questions on Mark T. Oct 3, 2007 11:23 PM
Re: [humanism-174] mailing list archive - Mark, I get a little "creeped" out too when viewing some of those ghost photos. But I've also had the same feeling looking at some of the "spirit photographs" that were taken around the early part of the 20th century, and it's obvious to Gordon Oct 3, 2007 5:09 AM
Re: [humanism-174] mailing list archive - Hi Gordon- glad to have you with us! I'm very skeptical of that sort of thing, too. So why, then, do I get the creeps & my neck hairs stand up when I look at "ghost" pictures? Car Mark T. Oct 3, 2007 12:01 AM
RE: [humanism-174] mailing list archive - Greetings Cleveland Freethinkers! My name is Gordon Oliver and I just recently joined the group. I wanted to attend the meetup last Friday but I looking after my kids that evening. I am planning on October 25 though. An Gordon Oct 2, 2007 9:12 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Cleveland Freethinkers Blog - Michael, Here's a nice, simple definition that might fit neatly beneath the blog title: freethinker n. One who has rejected authority and dogma, especially in his r Mark T. Sep 30, 2007 10:26 PM
-2, +7 - Hello all, Chris Poling & Samantha have exited the group (Chris P. left Meetup altogether). The good news is we have seven new members to welcome this week: Lynn, Toni Heilman, Chuck, Cory Hain Mark T. Sep 30, 2007 9:58 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Cleveland Freethinkers Blog - Marni T. Sep 30, 2007 10:37 AM
FW: [humanism-174] RE: Samantha just RSVPed for The Cleveland Freethinkers October Meetup - Sorry, I can't read dates evidently! The meetup is for Thursday, October 25th, tentatively - not the 26th as I stated in my previous email. Sorry for any inconvenience. -----Original Message----- From: [address removed] [mailto:humanism-174@m Marni T. Sep 30, 2007 10:26 AM
RE: Samantha just RSVPed for The Cleveland Freethinkers October Meetup - Hey everyone, Please disregard the meetups that get scheduled directly through meetup.com every month. There is nothing we can do about the automatic scheduling system they have that sends out the date to everyone for the next month right after the Marni T. Sep 30, 2007 10:22 AM
damn interesting - Wow, This "Damn Interesting" site is pretty damn interesting, indeed. Here's three particularly damn interesting articles: h Mark T. Sep 26, 2007 10:58 PM
Re: [humanism-174] those aren't nuts... - Hmmm... seems like a joke, yet wouldn't surprise me a bit if it were true! See this related article. (WARNING: this may piss off my fellow cat-lovers, it made me mad!) Mark T. Sep 26, 2007 10:22 PM
those aren't nuts... - Iran's state-sponsored news agency IRNA announced in July that its agents had broken up a Western countries' "spy ring" that employed more than a dozen squirrels trying to bring "spy gear" of foreign agencies into the country. [Washington Post-BBC,[masked] Samantha Sep 25, 2007 10:25 AM
RE: [humanism-174] mailing list archive - Marni T. Sep 25, 2007 8:06 AM
mailing list archive - Hi folks, I want to remind the newer members to check out the mailing list archive on our Meetup page. There is an "ungodly" amount of stuff there- and keep in mind that ANY topic is worthy of revisiting. Though the group w Mark T. Sep 25, 2007 12:17 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Presidential Politics - Likewise, Todd! It was a pleasure meeting you in person. And thanks for the cool pics- we'll share some protest pics as soon as I figure out how to shrink 'em. On 9/24/07, Todd Ma Mark T. Sep 24, 2007 11:25 PM
Re: [humanism-174] hero - Pat Robertson or somebody like that would have to amass a huge army of bishops, preachers, rabbis, etc. that would claim to speak for the defense- It would be trial of the millenium! On 9/24/07, Mark T. Sep 24, 2007 11:19 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Presidential Politics - While we're on this gun topic, here's a site that has lots of info. It's definitely on the anti side, but in a different way. http://www.gunguys.com/ Mark T. Sep 24, 2007 10:58 PM

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