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2008 Ohio Solar Tour - For anyone interested in this sort of thing, you can tour buildings and houses that use alternative energy: http://www.greenenergyohio.org­/page.cfm?pageId=1966 Friday-Sunday, October 3-5, 2008 Take a Clean Energy Journey Across Ohio! Every Octobe Nathaniel Oct 4, 2008 3:35 AM
Re: [humanism-174] VP debate - Preview not available user 7. Oct 3, 2008 4:29 PM
RE: [humanism-174] VP debate - Karl Oct 3, 2008 2:13 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: VP debate - I agree with Brian. She came off as a lovely, caring person, very charismatic, and down-to-earth. This is the strategy that she's been using all along to get ahead in politics in Alaska, based on previous links, emails, and videos sent by group memb Cloudberry Oct 3, 2008 12:18 PM
Re: [humanism-174] VP debate - I try not to have knee-jerk opinions relating to identity politics, so after thinking about this I think the public's reaction to Palin reveals it's sexism Ginger Oct 3, 2008 10:46 AM
Re: [humanism-174] VP debate - Palin did a wonderful job of showing the bible-banging six-pack crowd that she's a s Martha Oct 3, 2008 10:43 AM
Re: [humanism-174] VP debate - No, not pretty lame, in my opinion. Just falling into the trap the GOP set ahead of time. By putting out the word that everyone expected her to flub, they lowered expectations. Then, for a "win," all she had to do was show up, look cute, and NOT mes Cloudberry Oct 3, 2008 8:26 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Re: VP debate - Cliff Oct 3, 2008 8:03 AM
Re: VP debate - user 7. Oct 3, 2008 7:51 AM
Re: [humanism-174] VP debate - "i jsut heard on the morning news that geaorge bush is gonna rty to make fetishes illgeal he wants to pass a law that says S@M B@D foot worship is a unn Ginger Oct 2, 2008 11:45 PM
VP debate - Anyone have observations on the VP debate? I think Joe Biden gave a command performance- very direct, solid, to-the-point... offered detailed explanation of policy & solutions. Mark T. Oct 2, 2008 11:23 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Evolution Sermon - Preview not available user 7. Oct 2, 2008 7:41 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Unitarian Universalists - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It's impossible to say with any specificity what a particular UU Church "is like." I think I recall reading some document from the national office to the effect that they're open to all beliefs, possi ken Oct 2, 2008 6:51 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Evolution Sermon - I like that definition. As long as your not invoking the supernatural, I'm all for it. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]> To: [address removed] Sent: Wed, 1 Oct[masked]:30 p Josh Oct 2, 2008 12:00 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Evolution Sermon - Preview not available Mark T. Oct 1, 2008 11:30 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Unitarian Universalists - I recently learned that an acquaintance of mine attends the Unitarian church in Shaker. He said it lets him have the "church experience" without any strict religious dogma. Nathaniel Oct 1, 2008 9:50 PM
Unitarian Universalists - They do not have a creed- just general principles. Some churches are quite Christian, but the one in Cleveland Heights has many who do not consider themselves C Ginger Oct 1, 2008 9:12 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Evolution Sermon - Could you educate me a little about Unitarians? I unnderstand that they are among the most liberal of all denominations. Congressman Stark identified himself as "a Unitarian not believing in a supreme being". The psycho who op Hos Oct 1, 2008 9:01 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Evolution Sermon - Cliff Oct 1, 2008 8:08 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Evolution Sermon - >To me it's still like religion: there's no evidence for the concept, >nothing is manifested, so what can you measure or prove? Some who claim to be "spiritual, but not religious" are rejecting ORGANIZED religion (rules, dogma, etc), but they do stil Nathaniel Oct 1, 2008 7:21 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Evolution Sermon - Whenever I hear someone say, "I'm a spiritual person", I knash my teeth. I want to say to them, "WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN?!?" A good challenge for these people is to ask them to define spiritually in one or two sentences. I doubt tha Josh Oct 1, 2008 6:50 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Evolution Sermon - Preview not available Hos Oct 1, 2008 6:03 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Evolution Sermon - Preview not available Ginger Oct 1, 2008 5:39 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Evolution Sermon - Karl Oct 1, 2008 5:34 PM
Biden vs. Palin - Bet they didn't tell Biden this little tidbit: http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20­081001/cm_csm/yseaquist;_ylt=A­maMx8lpLW6KoZLZJFho0Jy Marni H. Oct 1, 2008 3:33 PM
FREETHINKERS: VOTE EARLY, VOTE NOW!!! - Regardless of your political affiliation, I'd like to urge everyone here to vote early! There are 2 ways to vote early. First you can go down to your local board of elections during designated hours between now and election day! I did it yesterday, an Josh Oct 1, 2008 3:16 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Evolution Sermon - I think it is more likely that he has lost most of his belief, but still feels, "spiritual". I also think that the notion of believing is tied very strongl Ginger Oct 1, 2008 8:26 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Evolution Sermon - > I think this guy may be a "closet atheist" that is just using the church as > a way to sell his books and DVDs. That's funny, I read a few pages on his site the other day and I had a similar impression: that he was a non-Christian who was trying to Nathaniel Sep 30, 2008 10:44 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Evolution Sermon - Preview not available Mark T. Sep 30, 2008 10:44 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Evolution Sermon - Karl Sep 30, 2008 5:56 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Religulous is at Cinemark - If we go to the 9.25 showing, then you can count of me. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Mark Tiborsky < [address removed] > wrote: coreyhaines Sep 30, 2008 5:26 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Religulous is at Cinemark - Hi Josh, I guess you'd be Josh III- waterboardin' Josh (members page 5) joined at the end of August, so he's II. To compound matters even further, there are also several "Josh Mark T. Sep 30, 2008 5:22 PM
important supreme court decision - Being a proud treehugger (better than a godhugger, at least trees are known to be real), I view this particular decision by the U.S. Supreme Court as extremely important. Really, though, it's a matter of "of t Mark T. Sep 30, 2008 2:55 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Religulous is at Cinemark - I can make either time, but 9:25 sounds great. Josh P.S. am I Josh the II or Josh III? lol -----Original Message----- From: coreyhaines <[address removed]> To: [address removed] S Josh Sep 30, 2008 2:17 PM
Re: [humanism-174] [Fwd: Help expose dirty tricks this election season] - Interesting stuff, Ken. You might be interested in Mark Crispin Miller's books: Loser Takes All, and Fooled Again, both about election shenanigans. ken wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > - -------- Original Messag Cloudberry Sep 30, 2008 12:17 PM
[Fwd: Help expose dirty tricks this election season] - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Help expose dirty tricks this election season Date: Tue, 30 Sep[masked]:36:47 -0700 From: Arn Pearson, Common Cause Reply ken Sep 30, 2008 12:12 PM
Religulous is at Cinemark - Just got an alert from Fandango that Religulous is playing at Cinemark on Friday! Which showing are we planning to go to? 6.55 or 9.25? For me, the 9.25 is much better, but I can cancel my piano lessons and make it for 6.55, as well. coreyhaines Sep 30, 2008 12:00 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Christians fight over church and state - I really hate breaking things down to a leftwing-rightwing scenario, but really, the "culture wars" are in full swing right now- two nations, under a 10-mile thick blanket of (hot) air, battling for control of all the "g Mark T. Sep 30, 2008 11:33 AM
Ex-Minister Turned Atheist In Area Oct. 8 - You might be interested in attending a CFI meeting featuring an ex-minister and Chrisitan apologist who gradually saw the light and became an atheist. He will give excellent reasons for his switch to atheism, which can help you in kitchen table deba Brent Sep 30, 2008 10:18 AM
temple to science? - See the link: http://blog.wired.com/wiredsci­ence/2008/09/can-science-rep.h­tml?npu=1&mbid=yhp Cloudberry Sep 29, 2008 8:16 PM
Christians fight over church and state - I think sometimes we Freethinkers sit on the outside and look in, and just assume that all Christian leaders on a mission to make America into a Christian nation, but there is actually quite a fight going on right now inside the Christian leadership. Josh Sep 29, 2008 10:41 AM
new member update, etc... - Hello everyone, I haven't kept on top of these welcome emails (sorry 'bout that!). Today, we officially welcome the 14 newest Cleveland Freethinkers Mark T. Sep 29, 2008 12:39 AM
Make your own Solar Panel, Wind Turbine - How do you prepare for power outages? How about building your own backup system(s)? To make your own solar panel: http://www.mdpub.com/SolarPane­l/index.html See this link for how to make a wind turbine: http://www.mdpub.com/Wind_Turb­ine/inde Cloudberry Sep 28, 2008 11:26 AM
the candidates on science - Well, one of 'em anyway... McCain wimped out on this. B.O. gets the gold star, scroll down to see his answer on the evolution/creationism debate. Mark T. Sep 28, 2008 11:19 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Fw: 'Stealing The Vote' Movie Tour Hits Ohio Next Week, Dates Inside - Marni H. Sep 28, 2008 10:22 AM
perhaps you can help with voter registration? - The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. -- Albert Einstein Date: Sat, 27 Sep[masked]:55:54 -0400 From: Norman Subject: voter registration last 6 weekdays ken Sep 28, 2008 7:24 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Did cameras pick up ghost in gym? nbc news - This sort of stuff reminds me of the cartoon that someone posted here recently, but with a slight tweak: "I don't understand" "Then call it ghosts" On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Mark Tiborsky wrote: > And I caught a "ghost Nathaniel Sep 28, 2008 12:32 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Did cameras pick up ghost in gym? nbc news - And I caught a "ghost orb" hovering near author Mark Crispin Miller's head at the CFI conference today! Seriously, I don't know what that is... strange photographic anomaly. Mark T. Sep 28, 2008 12:02 AM
Evolution Sermon - Cliff Sep 27, 2008 10:51 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fw: 'Stealing The Vote' Movie Tour Hits Ohio Next Week, Dates Inside - Speak of "the devil"- one of the speakers at today's CFI conference, author Mark Crispin Miller, spent a large portion of his lecture talking about this very subject. Review of the entire co Mark T. Sep 27, 2008 10:19 PM
Re: [humanism-174] debate #1 - I think that there are two ways in which Obama (B.O. is probably an abbreviation to avoid because it is already used) could have nailed McCain: First: When McCain hammered the idea of leaving Iraq in 16 month, the reply could have been, Fred W. Sep 27, 2008 3:50 PM
Fw: 'Stealing The Vote' Movie Tour Hits Ohio Next Week, Dates Inside - mardell Sep 27, 2008 2:06 PM
Re: [humanism-174] debate #1 - Of course we can only speculate, but does anyone think Hillary would have done better? I actually voted for her in the primaries (later to change my alle Ginger Sep 27, 2008 10:38 AM
Re: [humanism-174] debate #1 - First, let me say that I am supporting Obama with all my heart and soul. That havin Eric Sep 27, 2008 8:43 AM
debate #1 - I saw most of tonight's debate- I was wondering if anyone else watched it & what they think. In my opinion, there was no clear winner here- both performed admirably, overall. Obama was on the defe Mark T. Sep 27, 2008 12:25 AM
Fw: Computer Male or Female - mardell Sep 26, 2008 6:36 PM
Men of God never disappoint - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200­80925/ap_on_re_us/evangelist_c­hild_porn Hos Sep 25, 2008 8:32 PM
McCain, the dark side - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Is McCain scoping out Palin's butt? http://www.zimbio.com/Sarah+Pa­lin/notes/3/John+McCain+Checki­ng+out+Sarah+Palin+Butt The desperate McCain: http://www.realchange.org/mcca­in.htm -----BEGIN PGP ken Sep 25, 2008 7:15 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: rockin' the bloat - ...his definition of a Libertarian was a Republican who smokes dope. Hahahaha!!! By standard definition of "Libertarian" here in USA 2008, that probably rings true in man Mark T. Sep 25, 2008 5:11 PM
Re: [humanism-174] My so called psychic experiment - Why not post your predictions here, or on the meetup page, along with the time and date, so that we can all see what is happening? richard wrote: > > This does not mean do not question me! > Please do! It seems not all can handle questioning and a Cloudberry Sep 25, 2008 3:01 PM
Re: [humanism-174] My so called psychic experiment - So they are unexplained, so then what is a hypothesis you can test? And have you spoken to a neurologist? Why reinvent the wheel if this has been studied i Ginger Sep 25, 2008 2:47 PM
Re: [humanism-174] My so called psychic experiment - I don't know what the weird things are that happened, but do you think you had mind altering experiences due to lack of food and sleep and all that work? D Ginger Sep 25, 2008 1:33 PM
Perversion of Scripture? - I was listening to the news on the radio this afternoon and heard a sound clip of President Bush's address to the U.N. general assembly. He said something to the affect that "the terrorists" were merely perverting Islam, and t Randy Sep 25, 2008 2:21 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: rockin' the bloat - Thanks for this, I'll have to look at this link. So far, my opinion is that libertarianism is the political philosophy that posits that there is no problem facing our nation that is so great, that it cannot be completely ignored. I Randy Sep 25, 2008 2:04 AM
Re: rockin' the bloat - There are probably hundreds of political & socio-economic philosophies out there... I found one that is extremely appealing to me. How about "Libertarian Socialism"? Mark T. Sep 25, 2008 12:05 AM
rockin' the bloat - This is an addendum to the "ranting" thread... Around 6 months ago, I read a small article which was tucked away on page 3c of the Plain Dealer's business section. The article centered aroun Mark T. Sep 24, 2008 11:52 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - I think our economies are already in transition. Doesn't every industrialized country have social programs? The majority of people in capitalist countries have already recognized the value of socialism. Nathaniel Sep 24, 2008 7:11 PM
fake letters to the editor for McCain - The story of a reporter who volunteered with both campaigns, and talks here about how she was asked, along with many other volunteers, to ghost write fake letters to the editor in support of the GOP ticket. http://www.salon.com/news/feat­ure/2008/09 Cloudberry Sep 24, 2008 11:10 AM
Financial crisis/political commentary - This is short and sweet, by Garrison Keillor: http://www.salon.com/opinion/k­eillor/2008/09/24/mccain/index­.html?source=newsletter Cloudberry Sep 24, 2008 11:02 AM
Re: Ranting - I'm going step outside the box here for a moment, I apologize if I get too verbose here. I'm confounded by the shock being expressed at the greed on Wall Street and in our government. CAPITALISM IS A SOCIO-ECONOMIC SYSTEM BASED ON GREED! That's not Josh Sep 24, 2008 10:52 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Memes at work in presidential race? - I had no idea people were making up such ridiculous things, either. But a neighbor of mine, who I'd thought was a reasonable, moderate-thinking man, turned out to be strongly anti-Obama. My daughter, who used to play with his daughter while growing Cloudberry Sep 24, 2008 10:27 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Memes at work? - I've done a lot of phone banking for the Obama campaign here in Geauga Co.. Along the lines of your email, Mark, I am amazed at the way people talk themselves into these weird ideas regarding Obama. When asked for evid Fred W. Sep 24, 2008 9:26 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Memes at work? - user 2. Sep 24, 2008 8:46 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - LOL I don't this Star Trek concept would ever be possible unless we actually biologically evolved to have different ingrained brains and behaviors. Doubtful sin Ginger Sep 24, 2008 8:24 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - Okay, here's a site that summarizes various Star Trek references to money: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Money On 9/24/08, Mark Tiborsky wrote: > > I remember Picard saying in at least an episode or 2, something like "Humans > Nathaniel Sep 24, 2008 2:08 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - I remember Picard saying in at least an episode or 2, something like "Humans abandoned the concept of money many years ago...". I think I remember something was said about exchanging commodities, but my aging Mark T. Sep 24, 2008 1:43 AM
Memes at work? - I am intrigued by Richard Dawkins' concept of Memes - a meme can be loosely defined as a "parasitic mind virus". I don't kn Mark T. Sep 24, 2008 1:21 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - Actually, they had replicators and such, so I don't think any monetary system existed at all. I think the people merely worked for honor, knowledge, and the overall betterment of mankind. On W user 4. Sep 24, 2008 12:53 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - Mark, What kind of barter system did they have on Star Trek? As I recall, they were socialists of some sort, but I don't remember a barter system. On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Mark Tiborsky wrote: > Oh yeah, lords & serfs an Nathaniel Sep 24, 2008 12:45 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Arabica 185th - For those of you who care the Arabica on 185th is closed, empty. Hollis G. Sep 23, 2008 8:14 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - Oh yeah, lords & serfs and all that- the authoritarian presence of the "lords", being of "noble" birth (or grrrrrrr.... religious authority) is probably what screwed it up. In my Mark T. Sep 23, 2008 7:13 PM
Re: Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - ��� user 2. Sep 23, 2008 6:20 PM
Re: Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - Um, what about demand? Scarcity? --- On Tue, 9/23/08, Dennis <[address removed]> wrote: Ginger Sep 23, 2008 5:25 PM
Re: Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - I'm not arguing that the monetary system is our current problem, though it could be related. Abuses of the system is certainly to blame. These abuses are exactly why even if we manage to get out of this financial crisis without dis user 4. Sep 23, 2008 5:19 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - user 2. Sep 23, 2008 1:01 PM
Re: Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - Sorry about that. I guess I didn't think about that happening, since gmail trims the quoted text nicely. I will take out the quoted text from now on. user 4. Sep 23, 2008 11:51 AM
Re: Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - user 7. Sep 23, 2008 11:36 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - Very true Don. Plus the barter system makes it harder to find an interested party to barter with. It also makes online shopping much more difficult, unless you are speaking of a commodity backed monitary system, like the gold standard user 4. Sep 23, 2008 11:04 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - Preview not available user 2. Sep 23, 2008 10:57 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - Preview not available user 2. Sep 23, 2008 1:14 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - I just went to our main webpage without signing in... I should mention that the general public can indeed read all our messages, but all email addresses & attachments are removed. Except of course, Mark T. Sep 23, 2008 12:42 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - Preview not available user 2. Sep 23, 2008 12:10 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - Exactly! There-in lies the problem with big government -- once we the people give up anything, we can't expect to get it back. When has anybody ever seen a meaningful decrease in taxes, for instance? Never... odd... user 4. Sep 23, 2008 12:02 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - Preview not available user 2. Sep 22, 2008 11:50 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - $2000+ of pre-approved expenses for every man, woman, and child in the USA to throw away and encourage bad investment -- along with giving the government far more power than it should ever have in any "capitalistic" society; I don user 4. Sep 22, 2008 11:49 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - Dennis said: "Now, the government is taking over banks. We ARE being lead towards some kind of Communism or Socialism. Why? Who does this benefit?" &nbs Mark T. Sep 22, 2008 11:39 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - Preview not available user 2. Sep 22, 2008 11:36 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - If you have credit interest rates in the high 20s, that's your fault, either through nonpayment or not asking your creditors to re-evaluate your rate. I'm at 9 and 10% at the age of 25. Not that I'm saying t user 4. Sep 22, 2008 11:36 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Great "Teach the Controversy" T-shirts - I love the devil w/dinosaur bones design! Gotta get me one. On a similar theme- what started out as a parody of that pellethead Rev. Fred Phelps & crew has blossomed into a SAVAGE parody of all things Mark T. Sep 22, 2008 11:28 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Re: Ranting - Preview not available user 2. Sep 22, 2008 11:27 PM

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