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Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: priceless - I don't want to seem too harsh, but I'd like to put forward a motion to not forward emails that are non-discussion-oriented. -Corey On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Jennifer < coreyhaines Mar 24, 2008 4:28 PM
Fwd: priceless - This is soo funny. Note: forwarded message attached. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them f Jennifer Mar 24, 2008 3:44 PM
Author Austin Dacey in Brecksville Apr. 12 - I wanted to let my fellow freethinkers know about an author visit by Austin Dacey, who recently wrote "The Secular Conscience" (Prometheus Books, 2008). Austin will be at the Brecksville Library, 9089 Brecksville Road, on Sat., Apr. 12, from Brent Mar 24, 2008 1:51 PM
new members! - Hi everyone, This week, the Cleveland Freethinkers welcome four new members- Deb, Capt 420, Pete, and Rhonda! Mark T. Mar 24, 2008 12:33 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re:today's PD - Oh, I don't know, Hollis... since I feel that the whole Reverend Wright fiasco is much ado about not much, I see McMickle's letter differently. This one, on the other hand... (this is fun, my retorts in bold type) Mark T. Mar 23, 2008 11:16 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re:today's PD - Rev. Marvin McMickle, Shaker Heights: ....Hillary Clinton has never been called by the N-word. Orly? How would he know this? I am caucasion and my brother used to call me a nigger when we were growing up. Hollis G. Mar 23, 2008 6:00 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re:today's PD - Beautifully said, Maude... We can understand our own humanity, that's part of atheism's wonderful simplicity. No need for elaborate doctrines or mythologies to tell us about ourselves! Trouble Mark T. Mar 23, 2008 1:35 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Happy Birthday, Marni - Marni H. Mar 23, 2008 10:38 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re:today's PD - I agree, Josh- hopefully we will see some real progress out of all this. Marni & I were out of town Friday & Saturday... when we returned home, there was a thick envelope in our mailbox from someone at "Chr Mark T. Mar 23, 2008 1:54 AM
Birthday wishes and a quotation - Happy Birthday Marni! And thank you for starting this group--what would we do without it? Here's a quote from The Atheist's Bible, an illustrious collection of irreverent thoughts, conceived and edited by Joan Konner: From the Book of Questions Cloudberry Mar 22, 2008 10:53 AM
Happy Birthday, Marni - Happy Birthday! -Corey -- http://www.coreyhaines.com The Internet's Premiere source of information about Corey Haines coreyhaines Mar 21, 2008 5:39 PM
friday funny & article - Marni H. Mar 21, 2008 10:10 AM
Re:today's PD - " Hmmm... this guy has already been pegged as a radical Muslim, a whitey-stomper, and the antichrist... I wonder how long it's going to take for anti-Obamaites to pull out the mama/atheist attack? If that happe Josh Mar 21, 2008 9:07 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Re:today's PD - Hmmm... this guy has already been pegged as a radical Muslim, a whitey-stomper, and the antichrist... I wonder how long it's going to take for anti-Obamaites to pull out the mama/atheist attack? If that happens, I'm going to Mark T. Mar 21, 2008 12:20 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: Check your drivers license - Jennifer, Nice jok Mark R. O. Mar 20, 2008 7:07 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re%3A%20today%27s%20PD - All this Obama is the antichrist talk makes me giggle a bit... The company I work for rented out some items to the Obama campaign when they were here at CSU the other week. It later was invoiced and what was the auto-generated invoice nu user 5. Mar 20, 2008 4:56 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re:today's PD - I LOVE YOUR HONESTY ; "tOTALLY BASELESS STATEMENT ". Made me smile this morning ! Thanks, Joseph --- ILYA wrote: > It's time for Obama to back peddle back into his > mother's upbringing. She joseph Mar 20, 2008 8:26 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Manning - Too many other arses have the same privlege- and they're rich & have way too much political clout to boot! Here's a good article (w/links) from the Huffington Post: Mark T. Mar 19, 2008 8:39 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Re%3A%20today%27s%20PD - Great comeback, Ilya! Oh brother... people are even dumber than I thought. Check out this link: http://www.barackobamaantichri­st.bl Mark T. Mar 19, 2008 6:15 PM
Fwd: Check your drivers license - This is really important. Note: forwarded message attached. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Jennifer Mar 19, 2008 3:43 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Manning - How can this arse speak like this and still keep his tax exempt status? richard <[address removed]> wrote: Yes Hollis G. Mar 19, 2008 8:12 AM
Re: [humanism-174] today's PD - Love the letter in the PD. Good going, Mark! About the video on you-tube----do people really believe this stuff? His oration is great---his words, utterly insane, to me. Making gravy from pigeon droppings? Oh my, how he tries to scare people. Mar Cloudberry Mar 18, 2008 11:48 PM
Re: [humanism-174] today's PD - Oh Man! I thought the video was satire at first. That guy is nuts. Reason #4,713 why I'm glad I'm not religious. On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:57 PM, richard < onelaw4uworld Mark T. Mar 18, 2008 11:25 PM
RE: [humanism-174] today's PD - Preview not available Cliff Mar 18, 2008 10:00 PM
today's PD - Hey all, The Plain Dealer published this letter today: I am amazed at the fear and ignorance th Mark T. Mar 18, 2008 9:09 PM
new members & a milestone - Hello Freethinkers, Today, we welcome seven new members to CFT- Damon, Rick, Gil, Joseph, Kat, Patty McPhillips, and last but not least... 100th member, Tanya!!!!!! Mark T. Mar 17, 2008 9:12 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Michael - I apologize if this arrives tw Mark R. O. Mar 17, 2008 9:51 AM
Good meetup last night! - It was great talking to the people I talked to, as well as met a few more faces to associate with names. Can't wait for the next one. -Corey -- http://www.coreyhaines.com coreyhaines Mar 15, 2008 3:39 PM
WWJD - http://www.bustedtees.com/bt/i­mages/BT-jesus-gallery-908.jpg­ -- http://www.coreyhaines.com The Internet's P coreyhaines Mar 15, 2008 3:39 PM
Meeting details changed: The Cleveland Freethinkers March - I've updated this meeting. For more details, see the full listing: http://humanism.meetup.com/174­/calendar/7535762/ When: Thursday, March 27, 2008 at 7:30 PM Where: Arabi Marni H. Mar 15, 2008 9:21 AM
Tonight - We'll have our cell phones - mine:[masked] and Mark's[masked] in case anyone needs anything or runs into any problems getting there, parking, etc. See you at Tommy's :) Marni Marni H. Mar 14, 2008 6:41 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: 911 Conspiracies - I completely agree that the administration is very guilty of profiteering from the tragedy. In your original example, it would be as if I pretty much suspected (and possibly had a little more information than just suspecting) that the house was going to b coreyhaines Mar 14, 2008 6:30 AM
Oil! $$$ - Tar Sands: The Most Destructive Project on Earth by Mark T. Mar 13, 2008 11:22 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: 911 Conspiracies - Even so, they're just as guilty as if it was an insider job. Either way, over a million people (by several estimates) are dead as a result if you include the civilians of not only our country, but also Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention all ou user 5. Mar 13, 2008 5:18 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: 911 Conspiracies - No, I wouldn't define you as simply a moron. However, I would charge you with criminal negligence, not some insider-job conspiracy and start looking for strangeness in pictures and things, hoping to find proof that you, as the landlord, conspir coreyhaines Mar 13, 2008 4:54 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: 911 Conspiracies - Alright then...... Put it like this-- If I own several properties that serve as orphanages, and I have a multitude of respected people coming to me with information saying they have proof that bandits are going to come in at night, rob one of user 5. Mar 13, 2008 4:36 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: 911 Conspiracies - True, true. However, most of the conspiracies that I've seen have the government taking an active part in the planning/implementation, as opposed to just being a complete set of morons who don't care about it. Personally, I think that thi coreyhaines Mar 13, 2008 3:59 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: 911 Conspiracies - But Corey, how many things can be bungled and outright ignored before it starts being suspect? How many business and political ties in government can be conflicts of interest before people start saying, "Seriously, what the f***"?"&nb user 5. Mar 13, 2008 3:56 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: 911 Conspiracies - My personal feeling is that it wasn't an inside job as much as it was a complete bungling by the current administration to protect us. On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Beth < b coreyhaines Mar 13, 2008 1:14 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: 911 Conspiracies - http://www.nancho.net/911/mari­ani.html If anyone's interested, there's the link to the complaint filed by Ellen Mariani (Mariani v. George W. Bush, et. al.) user 5. Mar 13, 2008 12:03 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: 911 Conspiracies - Not to draw any conclusions, but they link to a page about a picture of the scar. They point out some apparent problems with the FEMA picture, then <quote> Throu coreyhaines Mar 13, 2008 8:28 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: 911 Conspiracies - Thanks, I'll take a look. -Corey On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Marni Tiborsky < [address removed] > wrote: coreyhaines Mar 13, 2008 8:11 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Fwd: 911 Conspiracies - Marni H. Mar 13, 2008 7:55 AM
Tomorrow's meetup - Hi everyone - I can't believe how fast the time goes. Our meetup is tomorrow, so please change your RSVP if you need to, so that I can get a final count for the reservation. Since Tommy's doesn't do official reservations, they asked if a coupl Marni H. Mar 13, 2008 7:47 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Fwd: 911 Conspiracies - Freethinkers, This particular page is worthy for the history lesson alone! http://thewebfairy.com/killtow­n/oddities.html Mark T. Mar 12, 2008 9:01 PM
Fwd: 911 Conspiracies - Just thought I'd forward this old email that I had sent to Mark regarding some debunking sites. Popular Mechanics did a good job, and, of course, the JREF forums are always good to read. -Corey ---------- Forwa coreyhaines Mar 12, 2008 8:20 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Michael - I have nagging suspicions about some things- after all, greed & the thirst for power have been the undoing of how many civilizations? But please realize that nagging suspicions do not necessarily equal 911-as-inside-job. Mark T. Mar 12, 2008 6:45 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Michael - On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Mark R. Orel < [address removed] > wrote: coreyhaines Mar 12, 2008 2:31 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Michael - Michael wrote: Mark R. O. Mar 12, 2008 12:18 PM
Re: [humanism-174] another good sign - Unfortunately, their inordinate obsession with homosexuality is alive & well, even among those in government... check this out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v­=BPB7bTdz2xQ Mark T. Mar 12, 2008 12:19 AM
Re: [humanism-174] another good sign - Oh no, not the Dominionists! Many so-called fundamentalists do seem to be breaking from the relentless god/guns/gays thing. Richard, maybe you could help me out with details here- in Chris Mark T. Mar 11, 2008 11:58 PM
Re: [humanism-174] another good sign - I dunno. A couple people dissenting doesn't really make for partial fracture. Though two people is much better than none. Beth On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Cliff < user 5. Mar 11, 2008 9:18 AM
RE: [humanism-174] another good sign - Cliff Mar 11, 2008 7:29 AM
another good sign - The "Fundamentalist Christian Right" continues to fracture. http://www.alternet.org/story/­78818/?page=entire Mark T. Mar 10, 2008 11:58 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Facebook.. - Woh! I see what you mean. Everyone, The Cleveland Freethinkers have a Facebook site, administered by Josh. For those of you who would like to join it, use this link & to sign on to Fac Mark T. Mar 10, 2008 7:10 PM
Re: [humanism-174] 2008's hot new sins - These actually... *(Gulp)*... make some sense to me... hail the Pope-ah! Somebody at work mentioned something about Papal decrees, I figured they would concern monkeyspanking & such. Mark T. Mar 10, 2008 5:53 PM
new members - Freethinkers, This week, we welcome three new members- Brent, Jason, and Drew! Mark T. Mar 10, 2008 12:17 AM
Re: [humanism-174] a must watch - "Project for a New American Century" is a semi-shadowy cabal that has indeed dictated U.S. foreign policy during the last decade. PNAC includes such luminaries as the former Bush's insurance policy, Dan Quayle, and the curre Mark T. Mar 9, 2008 4:38 PM
Re: [humanism-174] a must watch - Preview not available Mark T. Mar 9, 2008 1:51 AM
Re: [humanism-174] a must watch - Richard, I can't really see how we Atheists would need to defend ourselves because of what Acharya S. says, considering the fact that we don't give any significance to the validity of Christianity i Mark T. Mar 9, 2008 12:49 AM
Re: [humanism-174] a must watch - Well, Christianity is a conspiracy theory in itself, I guess. We'd have to consult an Egyptologist about Horus... "Have Yourself a Merry Little Horusmas..." I found a link to a good book: Mark T. Mar 8, 2008 11:26 PM
Re: [humanism-174] a must watch - This person is looking for others to do the legwork- refutes people involved in Zeitgeist, but none of the film's points On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:04 PM, richard < onelaw4uwor Mark T. Mar 8, 2008 10:54 PM
Re: [humanism-174] a must watch - I'm seeing blanket condemnations of Zeitgeist here, but no exact points refuted- also, the raising of uncomfortable questions (911) does not necessarily constitute belief. On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 9:02 PM, richard < Mark T. Mar 8, 2008 9:35 PM
Re: [humanism-174] a must watch - I watched the 1st hour so far... riveting! Christianity being based on older religions has been shown by other sources to be very plausible. And the premise that religion has ruined the course of history enslaving minds seems to be accurate. Mark T. Mar 8, 2008 8:03 PM
Re: [humanism-174] a must watch - Research points they make in the video for yourself. There's a lot going around about how they skew the truth in it. I don't know personally though, as I've not yet watched the whole thing. Beth user 5. Mar 8, 2008 4:54 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Checking - I believe it was produced by Peter Joseph. richard <[address removed]> wrote: The guy inv sylvie w. Mar 8, 2008 4:03 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Checking - Copied from Richard's post (hope you don't mind, Richard): Never as Cloudberry Mar 8, 2008 3:18 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Checking - What's Hanlon's Razor? Cloudberry <[address removed]> wrote: FYI, I've sent the link about Hanlon's Razor to everyone I sylvie w. Mar 8, 2008 2:39 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Checking - FYI, I've sent the link about Hanlon's Razor to everyone I'd previously sent the movie link to. Damage control... Cloudberry <[address removed]> wrote: Cloudberry Mar 8, 2008 1:21 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Checking - Whoa, maybe I should have read other people's comments before responding about this movie! You make some good points, Richard, and I agree. Some of what is said I already know to be true, like the Federal Reserve not being a part of the federal government Cloudberry Mar 8, 2008 1:12 PM
RE: [humanism-174] a must watch - Thank you for providing this link. When I saw how long it was, I thought, I'll just watch 5 or 10 minutes and shut it off. But I coudn't. I sat there and watched the whole thing. Then I sent the link to some other people. I may open the encyclopedia and c Cloudberry Mar 8, 2008 12:44 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Checking - Preview not available Kristen Mar 8, 2008 12:24 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Checking - I have not watched Zeitgeist yet- but considering that the Bush administration, most of congress, the corporate media, leaders of all the mega-churches, and the top brass of many corporations (such as Exxon) are also con-people, I will watch Zeitgeist wit Mark T. Mar 8, 2008 12:17 PM
Re: [humanism-174] I'm sorry, but this is infuriating me right now.... - I went to 2 Lutheran schools during my youth and both taught creationism. Every private school I ever went to did. We were also taught that evolution was a big, evil lie. Granted this was 18 years ago, but who knows what it's like n user 5. Mar 8, 2008 12:12 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Checking - I agree! It is a bunch of crap. In the beginning they even say that you will not be able to verify the content. richard <[address removed]> wrote: Hollis G. Mar 8, 2008 12:04 PM
RE: [humanism-174] Checking - ok, sorry! Everyone enjoy the snowy day!!! Marni Tiborsky <[address removed]> wrote: sylvie w. Mar 8, 2008 11:32 AM
RE: [humanism-174] Checking - Marni H. Mar 8, 2008 10:14 AM
Checking - Hi, did everyone get my zeitgeist e-mail? It seems it only went to Stevie for some reason. Sylvie Looking for last minute shopping deals? sylvie w. Mar 8, 2008 10:10 AM
RE: [humanism-174] a must watch - It is long, but I agree with you Stevie, it's worth it . Most people would not believe that our government is capable and sinister enough to do this, but I believe a very few, very powerful people, that we don't even know about, could make this sylvie w. Mar 8, 2008 8:06 AM
RE: [humanism-174] a must watch - .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } wow...i think i just became an atheist, and despise the government more than ev Kristen Mar 7, 2008 8:45 PM
Re: [humanism-174] I'm sorry, but this is infuriating me right now.... - I hope you are right, Maude. I also hope that Expelled ends up being a "Cedar Lee" type flick only- I guess that would depend on how much money is behind it, one thing for sure is that it's not all Ben Stein's $$$. Hopefuly it'l Mark T. Mar 7, 2008 6:59 PM
a must watch - My husband, Brian who joined our group about a month ago, found this video. It's pretty long but awesome!!! Please watch. It's realy cool. sylvie w. Mar 7, 2008 6:01 PM
Re: [humanism-174] I'm sorry, but this is infuriating me right now.... - Preview not available Mark T. Mar 7, 2008 5:23 PM
Re: [humanism-174] I'm sorry, but this is infuriating me right now.... - Preview not available user 5. Mar 7, 2008 11:16 AM
Re: [humanism-174] sorry - I was just starting to have fun. :) However, you made a good point in your email about people not wanting to be hassled. I do often forget that there are a lot of people out there who haven't yet come out and are still a bit uncertain about the coreyhaines Mar 7, 2008 7:39 AM
Re: [humanism-174] I'm sorry, but this is infuriating me right now.... - Preview not available Mark T. Mar 6, 2008 11:32 PM
[humanism-174] Sun Messanger 3/6/2008 - I have a copy of the Sun Messenger and there is a letter titled "Here's a prescription for healing financial ills" The writer's very first point is "Stop allowing ignorant, incompetent, godless , fearful and greedy people run out Hollis G. Mar 6, 2008 8:11 PM
sorry - Sorry everyone, I have removed Paul from the group. His maturity level was evident in his response, and I'm not big on bluffing. Did I do the right thing? Mark T. Mar 6, 2008 6:49 PM
Re: [humanism-174] PAUL SIMMONS!!! - Alrighty then... best of luck to you. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Paul Simmons < [address removed] > wrote: Mark T. Mar 6, 2008 6:22 PM
PAUL SIMMONS!!! - Paul, I don't quite know what your deal is... Marni & I are very patient people- but your antagonistic comments in EVERY thread are becoming a huge annoyance. There are people in t Mark T. Mar 6, 2008 5:45 PM
I'm sorry, but this is infuriating me right now.... - Preview not available user 5. Mar 6, 2008 4:57 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Post Card - (technically, you didn't actually ask ME anything, so I couldn't have been evading the question; I was just responding to your question to Beth) :) Absolutely, there are many good lessons in the bible. Unfortunately, they are mixed in with coreyhaines Mar 6, 2008 12:33 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Post Card - Stop trying to start fights. Your flippant sarcasm is thoroughly unnecessary. I'm through attempting to have conversations with you like a normal, rational, mature person. For the record, I asked if you were brought up i user 5. Mar 6, 2008 12:13 PM
Re: [humanism-174] Post Card - Uh, who are you even talking to? Beth On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Paul Simmons < [address removed] > wrote: user 5. Mar 6, 2008 11:32 AM
Re: [humanism-174] religion teacher - Hah - totally meant to send that just to Michael, not the whole group. Sorry for adding to the massive number of e-mails. And sorry, Paul, for being an ass hole :P s On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:05 A Shaheen Mar 6, 2008 10:07 AM
Re: [humanism-174] religion teacher - Well said. I think you affectively discredited every one of his arguements.. and I bet it still won't shut him up.. I was wondering - are you the Bay Village Michael or the Cleveland Michael? (There are two Micheals in the group, I no Shaheen Mar 6, 2008 10:05 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Funny stuff - Preview not available Eric Mar 6, 2008 9:29 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Post Card - I have already stated in previous conversations that, yes, there are good things. None of which need the context of religion to realize they make sense. It's just an archaic book with a poor understanding of the world. user 5. Mar 6, 2008 9:28 AM
Re: [humanism-174] Post Card - Just my thought: There isn't really anything NEW that is good in the bible. Some might argue that there simply isn't anything NEW in the bible at all. -Corey On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Paul Simmons coreyhaines Mar 6, 2008 9:13 AM
Re: [humanism-174] religion teacher - Perhaps we should have a guideline or something on the meetup site that can be referred back to in the future to outline things that are counterproductive in the quest for productive conversation. Including the definition of trolling wouldn't hu user 5. Mar 6, 2008 8:33 AM

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