RE: [conservative-137] Anti-Amnesty demoonstration

From: Lilli C.
Sent on: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 2:14 PM

My boyfriend is Mexican and is very careful not to overstay his visa when coming to visit me.  One of his brothers is legal and works for
Chase Manhattan (but not a citizen), but it is virtually impossible for my bf to remain and work here –EVEN if we married!    (I told him to go to Phoenix and “hop over the border” because that would be easier.)

My brother-in-law is an Iranian citizen.  He anguishes all the time because he cannot bring over his sister and brother (he has brought his Mom and she became a US citizen 5 years ago—I might add after availing herself of our medical services on her immigrant visa—ALL LEGAL, which we all paid for).

His family lives in imminent danger since madmen are running and ruining his country.  They are dying to come here and work, but the US government will not permit it.   The line after applying for immigrant status is over 6 years long, and Iran will probably be nuked due to their own insane policies before then.    It is a terrible situation.   They would give up anything to live here.

 

And here we are going to give amnesty to people who are demanding  in some cases that we put them at the front of the line for breaking our laws!

Is this the model we are to follow?

No one is blaming the Mexicans.  Because one is not in favor of rewarding crime does not make you racist.  Because you know OJ commited 2 murders, does not make you racist. 

Personally I love Mexico and used to own an apartment in Acapulco which I was forced to sell a couple years ago.   I feel for all those Mexicans and Cubans who gave up their lives in their respective countries to come here.   I feel for them and understand why they, too, are against this “amnesty”. 

 

Linda Carlsen

Executive Assistant to David Boies

Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP

575 Lexington Avenue - 7th Floor

New York, NY 10022

Tel:  [masked]; Fax: [masked]

 


From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Judith
Sent: Tuesday, April 02,[masked]:50 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [conservative-137] Anti-Amnesty demoonstration

 

Who said anything about blaming Mexicans?   Amnesty is, was and always will be a bad idea, slapping the faces of those who play by the rules and come legally---and often have to wait many many years.   I personally have a number of friends who were BEGGED to come here because of their academic and technical skils, but with allt he bs, it took them 10-15 years and thousands of dollars to become citiz3ens.

 

But the amnesty plans reward lawbreakers, have already rewarded extremely violent criminals of the worst type.    Sane people, and all conservatives should agree that we should have strict border control and we, for the sake of order and national security, should know who is coming into the country, where they are, whether they have communicable diseases (illegals have brought back TB, polio, plague an other diseases that were eliminated in the US 70 or more years ago. )  THat is straigghtforward common sense and many liberals agree on that. 

 

You don't get to shove in ahead of those who are waiting on line, you don't get to suck up social services provided by Americans for Americans and legal residents, you don't get to take from us, pay no taxes--which means we all pay too much more,  and tell us to change our culture and laws--if yours were so great, why are you here?   Most sane conservatives dont't allow someone to break into their homes and stay there for life and expect us to feed you, your kids and grandkids and tell us what kind of sheets and tv you want. 

 

Not to mention that illegals depress the wages of people here legally.  It is very easy to come here legally from the Western hemisphere---I've studied this issue for years.    THe process for temporary work permits and LEGAL immigration could be easier, but you've had sgtlainist bureaucrats demoncraps and RINOS controlling it for far too long.    But the issue is AMNESTY.  

 

I suggest you contact Carmen,  the orginal sender for more information.   SHe is an Hispanic-American who is very active and informed on the amnesty/illegal immigration issue.  I do not time to put out all the info and stats I have on this---maybe when I get a vacation.

 

There are a number of small businesses who cannot compete with those who hire illegals, who charge the customer union wages, but pay the workers less than that.  Those who do it legally cannot submit lower bids for a job.    I know many illegals  but won't hire them unless they submit an I-9 form, which means it's not happening.  

 

The bottom line on amnesty is that it is a political ploy to give the stalnist demoncraps permanent control of hte federal govt. 

 

Debt, an ingenious substitute for the chain and whip of the slavedriver.  -  Ambrose Bierce

 

“An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy; because there is a limit beyond which no institution and no property can bear taxation.”  -  John Marshall

 

If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave. --Samuel Adams

 

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." --Cesare Beccaria, On Crimes and Punishment, quoted by Thomas Jefferson in Commonplace Book

 

"I regret, as much as any member, the unavoidable weight and duration of the burdens to be imposed; having never been a proselyte to the doctrine, that public debts are public benefits. I consider them, on the contrary, as evils which ought to be removed as fast as honor and justice will permit."

--James Madison, Debates in the House of Representatives on the First Report on Public Credit, 1790

 

From: Cytoplasm Clan Catalyst <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, April 2,[masked]:39 PM
Subject: Re: [conservative-137] Anti-Amnesty demoonstration

You're not the only conservative in NY or on the list Mike that doesn't think that blaming everything on mexicans is a good idea or that that does think that compassion can be both sensible and in our enlightened self interest

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From: Mike Alan <[address removed]>

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Date: Tue, 2 Apr[masked]:32:47 -0400

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Subject: Re: [conservative-137] Anti-Amnesty demoonstration

 

please remove me from the email list.

 

Thank you

 

--- On Tue, 4/2/13, Judith <[address removed]> wrote:


From: Judith <[address removed]>
Subject: [conservative-137] Anti-Amnesty demoonstration
To: [address removed]
Date: Tuesday, April 2, 2013, 12:26 PM

 

 See below

 

"I regret, as much as any member, the unavoidable weight and duration of the burdens to be imposed; having never been a proselyte to the doctrine, that public debts are public benefits. I consider them, on the contrary, as evils which ought to be removed as fast as honor and justice will permit."

--James Madison, Debates in the House of Representatives on the First Report on Public Credit, 1790

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Subject: ATTENTION New Jersey: NY ICE Counter Protest THIS Saturday, April 6, 2013

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On 04/01/13, Progress Rose<[address removed]> wrote:


Hi NY ICers,

On April 6, 2013, there will be several National demonstrations in support of illegal alien amnesty that will be sponsored by Obama's "Organizing for Action" group.

One of these will happen in New Jersey, and NY ICer, Basil M., will be there to lend a hand, helping to organize NY ICE and other affiliates in New Jersey.

If anyone is available for April 6, 2013 (THIS Saturday), please show up and support our side for the counter protest against illegal alien amnesty.

Here are the Details:

WHAT: Counter Protest of Illegal Alien Amnesty in New Jersey That Will Be Sponsored by Obama's "Organizing for Action" Group
WHEN: April 6th, 2013 (*THIS* Saturday) at 9am
WHERE: Meet in the parking lot of Liberty House Restaurant at 76 Audrey Zapp Drive, Jersey City, NJ 07305
BRING: Anti-Amnesty signs in Big, Bold Letters. Simple works best, like "No Amnesty" or "No Open Borders". Bring Cameras!
CONTACT: Basil M. at [address removed] to let him know you are coming or for more information.

 

Joanna, President

NY ICE (New Yorkers for Immigration Control and Enforcement)





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