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Counter-Apologetics Group

For our next meeting I suggest the article linked below. This gives a brief, but well-written, overview of the main apologist arguments for God. I think this is a good place to start for people who perhaps aren't familiar with these arguments, and reviewing these can give us some ideas about what topics to explore next. There's a lot here, so we may not get to it all.

http://www.reasonablefaith.org/the-new-atheism-and-five-arguments-for-god

I'm open to other suggestions for a topic or reading if anyone has something in mind.

I'd also appreciate suggestions for a location. Pint's Pub was a bit too noisy last time.

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  • Hannah

    Nice to be able to open up to freely discuss thoughts. Even enjoyed having people disagree w/o drama!

    December 10, 2012

  • Ruth M.

    Awesome discussion! I loved seeing so many new people.

    December 10, 2012

  • Bob H.

    Good article to stimulate discussion and some interesting thoughts presented.

    December 9, 2012

  • Lamont M.

    This was a great learning experience. There is much to learn from both sides of the argument. I'm looking forward to trecking from Colorado Springs for the next one. Thanks alot!

    December 8, 2012

  • Kevin S.

    If anyone has a copy of Dennett's BREAKING THE SPELL, I'd appreciate it if you'd bring it today. I'd like to look up a reference.

    December 8, 2012

  • Colin F. M.

    Well there will be no lack of conversation in regard to this article of 5 Arguments for God

    December 6, 2012

  • Orson

    NOTE: the original "Bedazzled" is not really much like the Brendan Fraser/Elizabeth Hurley remake; it did inspire it, however.

    December 4, 2012

  • Orson

    Another nomination: view the classic British comedy"Bedazzled" (1967, it inspired Monty Python's comedic origination), a Faustian update of a short-order cook tempted by Satan in swinging London. "The film pokes unremitting fun at God's pathological need to be constantly bowed down to, complimented, admired, adored and fawned over by his mortal subjects and his immortal angels," comments freethinker Richard Kavich. At the film's end, the Devil incarnate shakes his fist at heaven and exclaims: "God--you're just unbelievable." My theory is that is film's writers were substantially inspired by Mark Twain's satire "Letters From the Earth" in 1962 - released by Twain's daughter then but written shortly before Twain's death in 1909. At about 100 minutes, it could be viewed and discussed twice by seeing first half and then second half at different meetings

    December 4, 2012

  • Orson

    "I'm open to other suggestions for a topic or reading if anyone has something in mind." The next best short piece for the group ought to be Antony Flew's short classic from he 1950s, "Theology and Falsification," in which argued that claims about God were meaningless where they could not be tested for truth or falsehood. (It is also THE most widely assigned article produced by a professional philosopher since then.)

    "Theology and Falsification" is all of several long, dense paragraphs long. It could be read to the group out loud in 15 minutes.

    http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/antony_flew/theologyandfalsification.html

    December 4, 2012

  • Orson

    There are many book length treatments of counter apologetics.
    Here are my two faves:

    "Atheism Explained: From Folly To Philosophy" by David Ramsey Steele, 2008 - which earned the back cover endorsement of our local celebrity author, Victor Stenger:

    "A clear, concise, complete, and convincing presentation of the case for atheism. Covers essentially all the arguments for and against God, in science, philosophy, and theology with sympathy for the the believers views..."

    By contrast, this 1970s classic is merciless: "Atheism: The Case Against God," by George Smith.

    December 4, 2012

  • David F.

    I reserved the 'back room' at Serioz Pizza at 17th and Humboldt where we can have privacy and quiet for the discussion. I will get there a bit early and look forward to another enlightening discussion.

    December 3, 2012

    • Kevin S.

      Thanks for that Dave. Sorry for procrastinating. See you there.

      December 3, 2012

  • December 3, 2012

  • John C.

    all other countrys agree that it is against public morals and education to teach faith or belief rather then facts, the mormon missionarys were kicked out of europe and asia in 2000 and now are only in the lower IQ areas of the world. Im sorry but im an old atheism and use my brain to be creative not faithfull. slavery by any other name is still slavery

    November 16, 2012

    • Linda R.

      "...lower IQ areas of the world" Ahem.

      December 2, 2012

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