Re: [kenwilber-275] What are young adults thinking about money and value?

From: Mark S.
Sent on: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:52 AM

I haven't had the time to watch the video yet, so forgive me if I assume more about it than is accurate.

But I believe that that the key point of this message has to do with what "young people" are thinking about money and economics.

The perspective that an old-timer like myself has about the culture and the economy is formed by my views of the often conflicting values of blue, orange, and green, simultaneously promoting different agendas within this mixed Western society. Meanwhile, regardless of any of the mythic or pluralistic ideas that are discussed or even tested, the heavyweight majority orange economic-political machinery continues with 'business as usual', primarily in strategic manners where the division between the "haves" and the "have nots" continues to grow each day.

But my unscientific assessment of the current young-adult generation is that they're a lot less naive and altruistic, so sometimes overly cynical as well. I don't quite know where to classify that generation on the spiral, though I don't detect that a large portion subscribes to Wilber's Integral worldview. Sometimes, I believe that the battles of the blue and orange, not to mention the parts of green that seem disconnected from reality, will just need to eventually die off so that the young generation can arrange their inherited world in a new way.

What that will look like, I'm not quite sure. Will it be a fresh, more reality-based green that society can embrace and make true? Will they naturally advance to Tier II and repaint the world with Integral brush strokes? Or will severe climate changes and/or economic failures result in a beige survivalist mode of living? Who knows?

But for the present time, I sense that we still have a window of opportunity to actualize an Integral approach that doesn't get caught on advocating any particular development stage over another, but rather works with all existing stages to support the positive elements of each, and that even includes green.

It's certainly a challenging time.

Mark



Beate wrote:
Troy,

I think if anything could be made to work without money, on a fairly large scale, for an extended period of time, with nobody taking advantage of anybody else, one would, at the very least, need a group of highly developed individuals to pull it off.
They would have to be at least at the green level of development.

So what would one do with all the other people who are at lower levels of development?
Integral thinking is aware of the layering of developmental levels, and of how different things are possible at different levels of development. But I have to say that even at green, I very much doubt that the level of altruism would be high enough. 

Green has very wonderful motivations, and  might still come up with some great ideas. And who knows what good comes out of anything?

But since we are calling ourselves Denver Integral, to avoid confusion about who and what we are, I feel it is necessary to point out when something is not exactly integral.

Beate



From: Troy Wiley <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Tue, October 26, [masked]:19:31 PM
Subject: [kenwilber-275] What are young adults thinking about money and value?

An inspiring new video project just came out which shows that many people all over the world are having discussions about new meanings of wealth and abundance.

The Future of Money - http://vimeo.com/16025167

Here's some take-away points from the video that are so refreshing in today's world of money and economics:

  • Trust 
  • Shared values
  • Integrity
  • Local Currency
  • Transparency
  • What could replace money
  • Discussing crazy ideas without being fired
  • Different currency models should be free to compete against each other to serve different purposes
  • Gift exchange and the commons
  • Symbiotic relationships
  • Currency innovation 
  • New operating systems

This is emergence.

Troy




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