Re: [webdesign-18] Job/talent board site

From: Mike H.
Sent on: Sunday, October 21, 2007 2:02 PM
I'm 85% sure I'm in.

ALSO - I think I'm done looking at PostNuke/Drupal/RubyonRails/Joomla/CodeIgniter etc and have decided that they are all wrong - at least for what I want to do.

Here's what I think: All of these 'products' start out to solve a class of problems and all of them succeed pretty well at solving it. The aren't solving the problem I want to solve, however.

Wordpress and friends solves the 'Lets build a Blog' problem
Drupal/PostNuke/Joomla and friends solve the 'Lets build an Online Newspaper' problem.
RoR/CakePHP/CodeIgniter and friends solve the 'Lets build something using the MVC  paradigm'.

I want an 'easy' way to build a web site wherein I build the structure and somebody else inserts and maintains some of the content. I want absolute control over which content goes where. I want it to be easy to make pages different. I want absolute control over the CSS. I don't need WYSIWIG layout. I don't need or want forms based site construction. I don't want to buy books to learn somebody else's system/model/etc so I can figure out how to use it.

End of Rant.

What I envision is a collection of PHP 5 objects [to hell with PHP 4] which support:
 database access
 optional active record style database access
 sessions
 user login
 exceptionally simple templating [we use php and add some additional
  syntax to support insersion of Other-Supplied-Content]
 some sort of tagging [with some Javascript/AJAX enhancements for:
   suggesting tags
   creating multi-tag searches with suggestions]
 WYSIWYG interface for Others supplying content.

The problem model is: 'Lets build a bunch of hyperlinked pages which have content areas which are easy to update and maintain w/o bothering the programmer'

Anyway, I'd like to roll this into the project.

?
Mike
 


On 10/21/07, Kevin <[address removed]> wrote:
For what it's worth, I'm looking forward to attending the initial
meeting as a spectator. As I've never been a part of a professional
web design project, I would find intristic value in participating in a
site build from ground up. Building a dedicated
Site to meet our specific needs seems much better to me than trying to
fit our needs into a template.

- Kevin

On Oct 21, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Scott Reynen < [address removed]>
wrote:

> On Oct 21, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Yong Bakos wrote:
>
>> There may be far simpler alternatives to solve what you're trying
>> to do.
>
> The main thing we're trying to do is make it easier to match up
> talent to jobs in Denver.  But participation in a collaborative
> project with several other web geeks is also a valuable experience
> in itself, as anyone who has been through a BarCamp hack-a-thon or
> Startup Weekend will affirm.
>
>> What's wrong w/ using craigslist, and prefixing the job post with
>> something like "DWDM: " ?
>
> That's a good question, but the implied answer of "nothing" is
> apparently incorrect.  Several of us have used Craigslist and found
> it lacking.  How exactly it's lacking, and how we can best address
> these problems is something we'll need to discuss in more depth.
>
> I personally find Craigslist is too anonymous and private for the
> type of communication I'd like to establish with potential employees
> and employers.  I shouldn't need to have essentially the same
> discussion ten times with ten different people, and that's the
> communication model Craiglist, and most other job boards, seems to
> encourage.  But I'm sure others have different issues, which we'll
> need to discuss and establish common goals.
>
>> Or creating your own google/yahoo group, and posting things there?
>
> Again, that's been tried and found lacking.  As a local web
> professional, this is as much to help you as anyone else.  So I'd
> encourage you to think of it as "our" rather than "your."
>
>> Also, don't build a job board from the ground up -- try jobcoin or
>> jobamatic.
>
> Those are certainly options, and it was presumptuous to decide a new
> website is the best solution to this problem.  But it would be
> equally presumptuous to decide an existing tool is the best solution
> before we discuss and clarify the problem.  I hope you'll
> participate in that discussion.
>
> Peace,
> Scott
>
>
>
>
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