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RE: [witches-1411] Tattoo Artist?

From: Damon
Sent on: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:47 AM

Tattoos take a lot of justification amongst the people in this thread. It’s not my opinion as much as an observation. And it’s not just this thread. You can repeat the results simply by saying “another option is not to get any tattoos” in any other forum such as this, and the justifications will come out, just as they have with you Greyhart.

 

Damon

 

 

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Greyhart
Sent: Tuesday, June 12,[masked]:31 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: RE: [witches-1411] Tattoo Artist?

 

I would take exception to your first sentence. For you, tattoos might take a lot of justification, but not for me. I always said that if I found a tattoo that I just couldn’t live without, I would get it. So I did. I have the next one planned, and when the time is right, I will get it. I don’t need to justify it to you, me, or anyone else.

 

Greyhart

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Damon
Sent: Tuesday, June 12,[masked]:39 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: RE: [witches-1411] Tattoo Artist?

 

Tattoos take a lot of justification. That’s something this exchange has made apparent. Overtly biased justifications are often an attempt to convince one’s self.

We’ve all avoided subconscious regrets to various degrees. Regret is painful, and it’s natural to avoid pain. Those of us who face regrets head-on learn more from our mistakes than those who are superb deniers.

Give yourself permission to regret your tattoos. Honesty is essential to becoming smarter. Allow yourself the fear of making the same mistake twice, or you’re far more likely to repeat your blunders.

Another thing we should all keep in mind is misery loves company. Those that live in fear of regretting their tattoos will go to great lengths to convince others to get tattoos as well. So just don’t let anyone convince you one way or the other.

Thus far, I haven’t faulted anyone specifically. I have no doubt there are people who genuinely desire tattoos and wouldn’t have it any other way. Those tattoos I like! There is a bone I want to pick though...

Keep it personal to yourself! Best example of failure to do so: It’s become quite popular for parents to tattoo their child’s debilitating disease on themselves. That’s a cruel way to punish your unwitting child. Have they thought of whether their child wants to be known as a disease? Let alone have it permanently marked on their mother’s arm?

 

Damon, I do not know you, nor I do not think we have ever met”

We almost met. It was close. I said hello to you and called you by name. You heard me but made no response.

 

Damon

 

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Sin
Sent: Monday, June 11,[masked]:05 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: RE: [witches-1411] Tattoo Artist?

 

That may be your primary detraction, however for those of us that have ink it is one of the main things we consider to be most important. Well... I cant speak for everyone here, however it is one of the main things I consider. Body Modification in general has been a source individual expression since the dawn of the human race. There is magick, dedication, ritual, and true commitment to the things I put on my body. I am a Norse Heathen. Many years ago I tattooed a Pentacle on my right shoulder. This is still a very meaningful and spiritual tattoo for me. It not only represents part of my past and my own personal spiritual evolution, but a deep part of me that is very important to me. I have personally evolved past this particular symbol, however it is there, and will be there forever. I own it and wear it with pride! I have the Elder Futhark tattooed around my wrists. Half around one, the other half around the other. This was one of the most power tattoos I have ever received. My outlook, m way of "seeing", my perceptions of things changed the second it was complete. I had a feeling of true connection to the wyrd the surrounds us from that day forward. These symbols I have put so much time and energy into studying were now apart of me and my physical being. I would never again leave home without my set of runes. When I am smithing I can easily pull the symbol I wish to put into the steel straight off my wrist and into my hammer, pounding it into the steel. The permanence is not a detraction, it is as Kyle said something that can never be taken from me.

Now I truly know the saying rings true, if you do not have one, or need to be explained to why.... You will never understand. Damon, I do not know you, nor I do not think we have ever met. However I am making an assumption that you have never been tattooed. I could be wrong but that is my assumption. That is your choice and we respect your decision not to adorn your body. However, as Sebastien said earlier, the question was never proposed to this group "Should I get a tattoo?" The questions was where and from whom. I do not understand you coming in here trying to debate the ladder?

The tattoos I have are an outward expression and physical manifestation of me... They are seen by me and I hold them powerful and true. I could give a shit if someone else misinterprets them, or "doesn't get it". They are for me and no one else. That type of belief and dedication is not something that can be debated over a message board.

Sin


From: [address removed]
To: [address removed]
Subject: RE: [witches-1411] Tattoo Artist?
Date: Mon, 11 Jun[masked]:34:22 -0400

It will be your ornament and companion until your last day.”

 

That’s the primary detraction. If tattoos were more temporary, millions of people with tattoos would be happier now and millions more tattoos would have been made by now.

 

Damon

 

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Jeff Davis
Sent: Sunday, June 10,[masked]:07 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [witches-1411] Tattoo Artist?

 

Agreed, with one minor exception. One is not deprived even by death. What is death? Other than transformation to another life.

Cattle die and kinsmen die, but one lives by their deeds; JD paraphrase, of course. I humbly submit that one can speak long after they are gone, through anthropology. That is if they are so lucky. Some might view it as a form of desecration, but it is a source of knowledge and understanding that all recons, how that term has changed, can appreciate.  In all cases, it is a form of self expression that can not be stolen in the traditional sense.


To shift back to the original owner of the conversion, what I find most interesting is Krista's requirements for certain times of day and presumably year for her work to be done. In my mind, how many people pay that much attention to the ritual and energetic aspects of the art? It shows a level of dedication and attention to detail that is interesting and most curious.

 

 

Jeff

From: Kyle <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Sunday, June 10,[masked]:53 PM
Subject: Re: [witches-1411] Tattoo Artist?

 

One of my favorite phrases on the matter is: The difference between a tattooed person and a non-tattooed person is that the tattooed person does not judge the non-tattooed person for not having tattoos. 

 

That being said, if I want wallpaper, I'll put up wallpaper. And even if it is a "static mark", it's a mark that I created in my head, and through my tattoo artist, I put in on a canvas that will be with me for the rest of my life. 

 

"You may lose your most valuable property through misfortune in various ways... But of your Moko (tattoo), you cannot be deprived except by death. It will be your ornament and companion until your last day." - Netana Whakaari of Waimana

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Wendy Helms <[address removed]> wrote:

Very well spoken, as always!!

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Sin <[address removed]> wrote:

>Indeed Jeff, good explanation. I take a bit of a simpler approach. Our bodies are a temple. What temple would be complete without a some art hanging on the walls!
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>Sin
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>On Jun 10, 2012, at 4:32 PM, "Jeff Davis" <[address removed]> wrote:
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>> And what about those individuals that are already scary in eyes, aura, or persona? How would they be able to find something to match, or better yet, find counter balance? So many possibilities, yet so little time or canvas. Then again, deciding is part of the journey.
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>> Aren’t tattoos a freedom of expression and marks of passion in their own right???
>> Isn’t looking defiant and scary part of the image???
>> Is there much difference between artistic expression and philosophical insight???
>>
>> Maybe running in the maze is what it is all about…
>> What senses and outlets will we engage?
>> There are many blank walls on which to imprint an image.
>>
>> To leave the paper blank is an exercise in will or apathy
>> To apply ink is a manifestation of will.
>> To do both and neither, is what it is.
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>> Jeff
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>> From: Sin <[address removed]>
>> To: [address removed]
>> Sent: Sunday, June 10,[masked]:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [witches-1411] Tattoo Artist?
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>> Yes you could go that way indeed.... However I assume that you probably wont. Thats a good suggestion though! People with tattoos are so mean and scary looking!! Lol
>>
>> Sin
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>>
>> On Jun 10, 2012, at 11:41 AM, "Damon" <[address removed]> wrote:
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>>> You could always hang your art on your wall, draw it on your purse, or the back of your laptop, use it as your computer’s wallpaper, paint it on your car, etc.
>>>
>>> Damon
>>>
>>> From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Damon
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 10,[masked]:39 AM
>>> To: [address removed]
>>> Subject: RE: Re: [witches-1411] Tattoo Artist?
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>>> Another option is to not get tattoos. And that’s my recommendation.
>>>
>>> Nurture organic passion, allow the greatest potential and freedom to develop in unexpected ways, and be free of static marks and labels.
>>>
>>> Damon
>>>
>>>
>>> From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Krista
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 10,[masked]:45 AM
>>> To: [address removed]
>>> Subject: Re: Re: [witches-1411] Tattoo Artist?
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>>> Wow so many options!
>>>
>>> Thank you all for the input, it's really helpful.
>>>
>>> I think once I've got the design perfected, and put aside a general amount of money for it, I'll visit all of the shops and talk to the artists to get a feel for things.
>>>
>>> I haven't gotten any tattoos since I left LA, so I don't know the community at all here, and it can be hard to find a good 'match'.
>>>
>>> And Ft. Collins is no problem, tattoos are permanent and this one's important! If you're not willing to put in a little driving time for that to find the right artist, then you're not OCD ;p
>>>
>>> K~
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