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It seems almost as if Telerama took some inspiration in Wednesday's discussions...Avec Internet et les écrans, mon cerveau a-t-il muté ?http://www.telerama.fr/medias/internet-modifie-t-il-mon-cerveau,93189.php#xtor=RSS-18
0 · February 10, 2013
Michael et.al., our thinking process has abandoned most earlier and primordial 'pencil and paper' formulations. I believe that as technology has advanced and given us more sophisticated enabling tools, our thinking process has advanced and evolved in tandem. Now, in its attempt to understand phenomena and make critical decisions, that process accesses a far broader pool of information. Comprehension has been accelerated, critical thinking enhanced, and progressive ideas and human progress, in almost all areas, flow in no small measure, from historical and current technological development.
0 · February 9, 2013
Charles...and many others : I believe that the electronic media is not the first of all technical revolutions that mankind has undergone, although it's both fun and anguishing to be in the middle of one. But writing, the printing press, the domestication of horses, the invention of agriculture, the techniques of breeding, and of course the invention of cooking were all major technical revolutions. Is the jury still out on them ? Maybe ! Or maybe we just forgot ! And how about closer to home the advent of radio and television ? And another thing, but we did bring it up, slightly, is : what does this really mean "the way we think" ? Are talking new logical thinking ? Or "New Ideas" or even the inner possiblity of New ideas, New social structures, New images of self by each individual... and so on !
Maybe we can find another way to look at these questions !
Have nice day/week/month,
You will recall that I said that this debate is raging everywhere and that I believe that the 'jury is still out'. We're just at the threshold. Computers only got going around 1950 and we still don't know how to program them to do commonsense kinds of things, just technical things. But that's coming, probably sooner rather than later. When it does, our thinking will surely change.
Just think about it : more information is allowing us to see things in shades of gray as we reason …to capture the grayness of the inherent uncertainties in our reasoning and thinking processes. Maybe our brains haven't been changed, but the tools at our disposal are decidedly better. Ask me almost anything and I can either fail or succeed in finding the answer on the internet quite quickly.
It seems to me that the most important thing is the ability to think critically about the information one is exposed to. The more we are forced to practice, the better we'll get.
0 · February 7, 2013
It was great, topic could have been discussed more philosophically. Too "technical"
0 · February 6, 2013
It was highly enriching, don't get me wrong! I missed the immersion of the psychological impacts of technology on today's society though :) everybody was talking about the effects on society and the cognitive aspects remained rather unmentioned. However, yesss from a philosophical point of view it might be not interesting to direct the discussion into that kind of direction.
Then, there is the problem of information overload and our shrinking attention span. We’re getting used to stopping at just getting the gist of things, and moving on to the next link.
I think that this is comparable to how, for much of our evolution, we were starved for sugar and fat. We took in as much as possible at every opportunity, and now that they are abundant this is a problem. But a large number of people seem to manage it anyway.
It is the same for information: problematic, but manageable. Only it is a newer problem, so we’re still learning how to deal with it.
(I'll stop there, I promise; seeing an interesting subject can get me started in a bad way :-P )
There are innumerable people that will go no further than superficiality, and there is no indication that it used to be any different. We can't judge new technologies by the users of Facebook.
Our brainpower has been freed up from the necessity of remembering everything, so we can spend more time analyzing.The majority won't change their ways, but it enables those who do want to dig deeper and opens up the possibility for many who didn’t.
The possibility of going into longer articles and books remains, and they are present in vast numbers and more accessible than ever. Internet articles are shorter and straighter to the point than most books, and this allows a user to get the gist of things faster, an already very positive thing. But this is also a gateway to denser sources.
I thought last night's discussion was quite interesting and pertinent to how our world may be changing us. We did stray from the philosophical focus, but that is normal in such a setting. Although I chose to argue on the side of technical advancement, I do see the narcissism of Facebook and unchecked data quality of Wikipedia as detrimental to intellectual development, but we all still need to subject ourselves to personal responsibility. Using technology in stupid ways will not change how we think in a positive direction. I hope that the wider horizons possible through the almost infinite information available (which can lead to knowledge when actually using one’s brain) will lead to more open minded and informed thinking. Thus, my belief still; yes, changes in technology can change how we think, and in a positive way.
A few errors in Wikipedia have been vastly overmediatized, as compared to the tremendous amount of articles with error levels comparable to those of Encyclopedia Britannica.
Here's a summary of the main comparative studies, expert opinions and academic opinions on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.o...
It should also be noted that Wikipedia comes with the caveat that people *know* how it was done and the risk of not going into the original source conveniently linked at the bottom of the article.
Meanwhile, more good articles exist in Wikipedia than in any other existing encyclopedia.
The Problem With Wikipedia: http://xkcd.com/214/
A review of the reactions and analyses on the article "Is Google Making Us Stupid?": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is_Google_Making_Us_Stupid%3F
As well as the link to the article, obviously: the "Cover Story" link in the box to the top right.
So I hope hope my speaking is understanding.My main question was, may be technology change only dream but doesn't change "thinking behaviour". Extreme example is We went at the moon with technology and discover the fragility and beauty of our planet. We has made a lot of dream but we continue to destroy this fragile planet (pollution, war, waste of resources...) and be stupid (social imitation, pride about our small power, egoism.. )Doesn't moon experience has changed our mind in our behaviour ?
1 · February 7, 2013
For me ? One the really good ones ! No ?
It was great! Plenty of interesting things to talk about and interesting ideas all around. Lots of people so you had to choose your words carefully, but well managed by the organizer.
1 · February 6, 2013
i ll be happy to discover this meet up.i ll see you all tonight.
Hi Michael, I seem to remember before Christmas you suggested people send you their questions up front. Is this still the case? If so what's the format for such? If it's not the case, I probably dreamt it. Like I dreamt Santa might come this year, which he didn't.
0 · February 5, 2013
yes and No ! I only suggest that people do the floowing : think up topics, write them down on any piece of paper...and the day of the cafe just send.bring them to the moderator. Doing this is a good exercise to phrase an interesting question...and in an attractive way for bettering its chances to be chosen.. See you tomorrow !
Great. I shall write it down (all seven words of it) in my best handwriting.
Would love to attend.
I have a question .. Will you have a meeting about psychanalyse an other time ? I would love it !
0 · February 1, 2013
good question ! If you propose a well worded topic that brings it up , why not ? Often it is mentioned in relation to several topics. But is it in itself a topic ? In other woirds what's the question ? :-) mm
That could be better to announce some questions before event because last time that took a long time for choosing and we can think about by advance.
0 · January 31, 2013
Sorry, it took a long time, (sometimes its quicker) but it is also, in itself part of the Cafe Philo. On the other hand may I suggest that you propose a topic ! The best is to write it beforehand !
Are meetings always weekdays at 6:45pm? I normally get off work at 7pm weekdays.
1 · January 29, 2013
Hello ! Actually, we start at 7 PM and ...some people come in late. So you miss the beginning...Somebody will always tell you what the topic is and then you listen and speak if you want..when you get the mike ! Our recent cafes have been very full but in the end after some standing I'm sure you'll find a seat. Welcome ! mm
2 · January 30, 2013
Thanks a lot. I look forward to it!
0 · January 30, 2013
I look forward!
0 · January 29, 2013
0 · January 25, 2013
I will look forward to the experience
0 · January 24, 2013
I'd love to come.
0 · January 17, 2013
Too bad I can't be there. Hope to meet you guys next time!
0 · January 3, 2013
Welcome all old and newcomers !
0 · December 28, 2012
This is a "Classic Philo Cafe".
It happens once a month in a cafe in the Latin Quarter (Cafe de Flore).
It is public, free (but you must buy a drink) and it lasts 2 hours from 7 to 9 PM on a wednesday.
Topics are proposed by the attendees and then one of them is chosen on the basis of its interest as a topic for all.
People speak one at a time (there is a microphone).
The "model" is the Cafe des Phares (in french) which is every sunday at the place de la Bastille from 11 AM to 13 PM.
It's fun, ....and serious !
Welcome to the Philosophy Cafe in English !
PS : More info about the cafe philos in general and in particular the Cafe des Phares ? In french : http://www.cafe-philo-des-phares.info/
More info about the Cafe de Flore ? In english : http://www.cafe-de-flore.com/indexa.htm
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