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| Killer Start-up Looking for seasoned FB App Developer - Hey Everyone, Last week was my first FB MeetUp and I'm thrilled to have joined the community. A big shout out to listiti.com ! We've already started using it to monitor our competitor's pu | Patrick Allen | Nov 23, 2009 |
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11/18 Meetup: Thought Leadership 2.0 - Here's an event worth sharing. If you want 2010 to be a breakout year
for you, you might consider attending this session. Rajesh Setty is
an amazing entrepreneur running the THINKtweet [
http://happyabout.info/thinktw |
Mitchell Levy | Nov 5, 2009 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] Senior Developer Positions (Bay Area / LA) - Preview not available | Cenker Ozkurt | Nov 4, 2009 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] Senior Developer Positions (Bay Area / LA) - Preview not available | Cenker Ozkurt | Nov 4, 2009 |
| Senior Developer Positions (Bay Area / LA) - | Karthik Kailash | Nov 3, 2009 |
| Monday Nov 2 Unity will talk on 3d game and app integration and Facebook - From the leading edge of the Social Game Fest we will have a presentation by Unity on ways 3d games and apps are beginning t | Ann Burkett | Nov 1, 2009 |
| Oct Meetup: App Measurement for Success - Hi Everyone, We are excited to see you tomorrow at the Facebookmeetup. Please update your RSVP if your plans have changed, we have limited seating at our new location WilmerHale. See the full listing here: | Sudha Jamthe | Oct 25, 2009 |
| Java Developer seeking new full time software engineering opportunities - Hi group members, I'm currently actively seeking new software engineering opportunities (Android and server-side web application are most welcomed). A brief introduction of myself - I graduated with MS in Computer Science from Univer | Nicholas Key | Oct 25, 2009 |
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Meetup details changed: Oct Meetup: App Measurement for Success - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/facebook |
Sudha Jamthe | Oct 18, 2009 |
| Update on Social Game Fest - San Jose Venue - The San Jose Social Game Fest event venue has about 5 tickets left. If you prefer a San Jose location, which is in their beautiful Mac lab so you don't have to BYOC unless you wish, then you may want to | Ann Burkett | Sep 28, 2009 |
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Upcoming Social Game Fest - Hello Facebook Entrepreneurs, This email is to let people who may be interested in designing/developing/producing |
Ann Burkett | Sep 14, 2009 |
| PayPal's Payment Platform at Innovate09 - Hi Folks, Some of you came as my guest to PayPal's Platform Preview sneak peak in July. Now PayPal is launching their Payment platform at their first Developer Conference Innovate 09 is in Nov 3,4 in SF. Groupcard we saw | Sudha Jamthe | Sep 12, 2009 |
| JOB POSTING: Exciting startup looking for Facebook Application Developers - | Donald James | Aug 27, 2009 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] New Meetup: Aug Facebook Meetup: FaceForce - Taking Facebook Connect to build business - Dang it, I missed your e-mail! Bummer!!! Lina. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Sudha Jamthe < [address removed] > wrote: | lina | Aug 19, 2009 |
| New Meetup: Aug Facebook Meetup: FaceForce - Taking Facebook Connect to build business - Announcing a new Meetup for Facebook Application Development! What: Aug Facebook Meetup: FaceForce - Taking Facebook Connect to build business When: August 18, 2009 6:30 PM Where: Nokia 313 Fairchild Drive | Sudha Jamthe | Aug 5, 2009 |
| Meetup details changed: Come Win a N97 and learn "Funding and Scaling" - July Facebook Meetup - Folks, Our Agenda/Speaker has changed due to some human frailties. We'll focus on FBFund - funding and scaling facebook apps and have an exciting lineup. Please update your RSVP, we have a space limit of 100 at Nokia and | Sudha Jamthe | Jul 26, 2009 |
| Come Win a N97 and learn from Playfish - July Facebook Meetup - Folks, You should come because this is the event where you get all secrets in one place - making gaming apps successful, creating viral play, connect from all mediums and win a N97!!! What: Come Win a N97 and learn from Playfish - Ju | Sudha Jamthe | Jul 25, 2009 |
| Invitation from Tom Vellaringattu - Preview not available | Tom Vellaringattu | Jul 22, 2009 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] sailing today, fireworks on the bay & ruby talk - Preview not available | Rajvinder Kaur | Jul 4, 2009 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] sailing today, fireworks on the bay & ruby talk - Preview not available | Navin | Jul 4, 2009 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] sailing today, fireworks on the bay & ruby talk - Preview not available | sumithra jonnalagadda | Jul 4, 2009 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] sailing today, fireworks on the bay & ruby talk - Preview not available | Tom Vellaringattu | Jul 4, 2009 |
| sailing today, fireworks on the bay & ruby talk - Preview not available | Rob | Jul 4, 2009 |
| Announcing new Web Executives Group on LinkedIn - | Marsh Sutherland | Jun 29, 2009 |
| Enterprise Social Networks with Alan S. Cohen of Cisco, July 14 - Enterprise Social Networks with Alan S. Cohen of Cisco, July 14 Enterprise Social Networks | Tanya | Jun 26, 2009 |
| Re: Please update your RSVP for Facebook Connect the final frontier - June Meetup - Hi Folks, We are excited about tomorrow's facebook meetup. Please take a moment to update your RSVP as I heard some folks who have rsvped yes are actually planning to goto a party in SF. We'll miss you but it will help us get an acc | Sudha Jamthe | Jun 21, 2009 |
| New Twitter Meetup in the valley on 7/22 and beyond - Hi Folks, I have started a twitter meetup thanks to the prompt from many of you!!! If you are interested in twitter app development, please join the twitter meetup. I am starting a local twitter meetup in the valley. I am also workin | Sudha Jamthe | Jun 14, 2009 |
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Meetup details changed: Facebook Connect the final frontier - June Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/facebook |
Sudha Jamthe | Jun 14, 2009 |
| Events.create (Ruby on Rails) - Hello! Can you help me, please. I want to create an Event from my app. My code: @facebook_session.post('facebook.events.create', :event_info => { 'name' => 'name', 'category' => '1', 'subca | user 9672129 | Jun 2, 2009 |
| Facebook Meetup - not on 30th May, need your help to find new space - Folks, We don't the Facebook Meetup on 30th. We are trying to find a new location for our meetup as AOL moved to a diff building which is not large enough to accommodate our group. Pl ping me if you have any ideas for locations, we n | Sudha Jamthe | May 29, 2009 |
| Urgent Need: Android Systems Architect (6 Months+ Contract, Europe) - Title: Android Systems Architect Location: Europe Duration: 6 months with likely extensions Android Systems Architect - Europe. 2 x strong Android Systems Architect are required to work on a critical project in Europe. A successful ca | Alex Wang | May 21, 2009 |
| Urgent Need: Looking for Android Developer for a famous mobile company (Duration: 4-6 months or contract-to-hire) - Here we need an experienced local Android and J2ME developer for a contractor/consultant position for a famous mobile company and we can schedule interview immediately. If you are interested, please submit your updated resume for consideration, or please | Alex Wang | May 21, 2009 |
| Urgent Need: Standards Developer (Business Analytics Developer) Over $100K/yr - Here we need an experienced local Standards Developer (Business Analytics Developer) for a contractor/consultant position and we can schedule interview immediately. If you are interested, please submit your updated resume for consideration, or please help | Alex Wang | May 21, 2009 |
| Java Software Engineer needed - Like.com is launching a new and exciting product. We need smart people to join our team pl | Eric | May 14, 2009 |
| Facebook/Flash Developer Needed - | Paul T | May 14, 2009 |
| 8 Hours iphone apps! - iPhone Intensive meetup group and Plug and Play Tech Center is pleased to present a two-day iphone training program at Plug and Play Tech Center, Sunnyvale, June 5 | manasi | May 1, 2009 |
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Facebook Meetup: Flash for Facebook by Adobe And Google I/O - Folks, I've updated this Meetup. http://www.meetup.com/facebook |
Sudha Jamthe | Apr 28, 2009 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] looking for facebook developer - Small prject Sent from my iPhone On 18 Apr 2009, at 9:14 AM, Gerald Truong < [address removed] > wrote: | Luong tam | Apr 18, 2009 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] looking for facebook developer - Good morning, We just finished developing our facebook app Giftomi. It is an Iframe based app which uses some xfbml. How will yours be integrated: pure FBML or iframe with XFBML? On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Alex | Gerald Truong | Apr 18, 2009 |
| looking for facebook developer - Hi, we are looking for a facebook developer to help us transform our existing web application into a facebook app. It's a contract job. Pls, get in touch if interested. Cheers, Alex | Alex Grishin | Apr 17, 2009 |
| New Meetup: Facebook Meetup: Flash for Fashbook by Adobe - Announcing a new Meetup for Facebook Application Development! What: Facebook Meetup: Flash for Fashbook by Adobe When: May 1, 2009 6:30 PM Where: Click the link below to find out! Meetup Description: | Sudha Jamthe | Apr 11, 2009 |
| Fwd: [socialsoftware-21] facebook developer - Hi, Paul, We ( hohotech.com ) could help and provide the developments. We are strong on web2.0, game and flash development. We could provide the to | Garry | Mar 24, 2009 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] facebook developer - I have the detail of the 2 projects, do you have any experience building a game application on facebook? please send me your resume and I can also forward you our NDA so we can discuss the details. On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Lady LeeT | Paul Emami | Mar 23, 2009 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] facebook developer - What exactl are you looking for? On 3/23/09, Paul Emami < [address removed] > wrote: | Lady LeeT | Mar 23, 2009 |
| facebook developer - Hello Everyone, I have an urgent need for 2 Facebook developers for 2 educational gaming application. Please send me your resumes and contact number so we can discuss the further details. Sincerely Paul | Paul Emami | Mar 23, 2009 |
| New Meetup: Facebook Application Development March Meetup - Announcing a new Meetup for Facebook Application Development! What: Facebook Application Development March Meetup When: March 19, 2009 6:30 PM Where: Click the link below to find out! Meetup Description: 6.30: P | Sudha Jamthe | Mar 16, 2009 |
| Meetup Cancelled: Facebook Application Development February Meetup - Hi Folks, Facebook Application Development February Meetup, scheduled to occur on February 24, 2009 6:30 PM has been canceled. Please update your plans accordingly. I have been seeing many of you at the the facebook garage last week, | Sudha Jamthe | Feb 22, 2009 |
| Javascript Wrapper Needed for Status.get - Guys, Anyone used the new Status API with Facebook's Javascript Client library? I am working on a project with a developer new to facebook, he wants to access status updates but wants to use it using Javascript Client Library. | Sudha Jamthe | Feb 10, 2009 |
| Bebo B.E.S.T Awards event - Hi Folks, Remember the BeboDevNite event we had @ AOL on Nov 12th and the cool contest Bebo announced? Well if you need a refresher to Bebodevnite check out the videos and my blog post here - | Sudha Jamthe | Feb 6, 2009 |
| Hiring Bay Area Facebook App Developers - EGG HAUS is hiring Facebook App Developers - For more information and to apply, see our jobs below. http://egghaus.com/jobs/ For | Rob Abbott | Jan 28, 2009 |
| Virality with Facebook Connect - Jan Facebook Meetup - Hi Folks, We are excited to see you at our next meetup on tuesday! Between the meetup and facebook event we have 180 signups, so please update your RSVP as our room limit is 150. See the full listing: | Sudha Jamthe | Jan 26, 2009 |
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Virality with Facebook Connect - Jan Facebook Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://socialsoftware.meetup.c |
Sudha Jamthe | Jan 12, 2009 |
| Testing As A Service - | fuad | Dec 12, 2008 |
| Tonites' Meetup Rocked!!! - Hi Everyone, Thanks for making tonite's meetup sooooo awesome. Lawrence, the founder of this group is back from Vietnam and joined us! Your q& | Sudha Jamthe | Dec 11, 2008 |
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Facebook December Meetup tonite- Shindig by Google and Gov.it Facebook Connect Demo - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://socialsoftware.meetup.c |
Sudha Jamthe | Dec 10, 2008 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] Meetup details changed: Facebook December Meetup - Shindig by Google - Is there a facebook hackathon today? I did not know. some one said he is in it. regards, Krishna On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Sudha Jamthe < sujamthe | Krishna Kashyap | Dec 6, 2008 |
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Meetup details changed: Facebook December Meetup - Shindig by Google - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://socialsoftware.meetup.c |
Sudha Jamthe | Dec 6, 2008 |
| Dec 6th Holiday hackathon by SV Web Guild group - Silicon Valley Web Builder Group is bringing a hackathon event this Sat Dec 6th noon to 6pm. @ TENS Santa Clara (where we had our Google App engine talk and weekend apps with Waleed). They call it a family event so you can bring your kid (old e | Sudha Jamthe | Dec 2, 2008 |
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Meetup details changed: Fb Nov Meetup - "The Vampire Returns" - Platform Migration II by Blake Commagere - People, I am excited to see you all on tues 11/11 @ AOL for bebodevnite. For more details, see the full listing: http://socialsoftware.meetup.c |
Sudha Jamthe | Nov 9, 2008 |
| Fb November Meetup - Blake Commagere at BeboDevNite @ AOL - Folks, We had a fun event in Oct. I have uploaded the videos of Julie's presentation and Waleed's Fb walk-thru in our fb fan page here: | Sudha Jamthe | Nov 2, 2008 |
| Source Code for Hello Halloween - Hi everyone, I posted the source code from last night's presentation at the link below. Today and tomorrow, I'll be happy to answer questions about the code and help you out if you try to launch an app. Please send your ques | Waleed Abdulla | Oct 28, 2008 |
| New Meetup: Facebook Application Development October Meetup - Announcing a new Meetup for Facebook Application Development! What: Facebook Application Development October Meetup When: October 27, 2008 6:30 PM Where: Click the link below to find out! Meetup Description: 6.3 | Sudha Jamthe | Oct 20, 2008 |
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Fb Connect at FB Meetup - updated with Surprise Guest - Hi Folks, Our surprise guest is Luke Shepard of Facebook Fb Connect Team. For more details, see the full listing: http://socialsoftware.meetup.c |
Sudha Jamthe | Sep 26, 2008 |
| Php Developer in demand for consulting work, decent market rate pay - Hi Folks, Gary Gil, the founder of Podclass is looking for PHP Facebook app developer for a short-term project (2-3 weeks). The project will be to tune an existing app called Podclass for virality and engagement. Pay will be based | Sudha Jamthe | Sep 17, 2008 |
| New Meetup: September Meetup is all about Facebook Connect - What: September Meetup is all about Facebook Connect When: September 29, 2008 6:30 PM Where: Click the link below to find out! Meetup Description: We are moving our Sep meetup to Sep 29th to accommodate schedules of speake | Sudha Jamthe | Sep 11, 2008 |
| CAMBRIDGE, MA JOB: Several Senior / Product Manager positions at Facebook and iPhone web app startup - I've been contacted by the Founder of a local social networking web app startup. Their engineering team is A++ top notch. He described the ideal candidate as a consumer-focused product manager having worked in this capacity at Monster, Lycos, TripAdvis | Marsh Sutherland | Aug 31, 2008 |
| Facebook Garage on fb Connect and developers job req - Hi Folks, Facebook is hosting a garage on Sep 3rd evening which is a code-a-thon style event. All of you who left with questions about fb connect vs building new app at the last coda-a-thon panel do join us. RSVP here: | Sudha Jamthe | Aug 28, 2008 |
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Social Ads - Hear from Facebook and AOL at our August Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://socialsoftware.meetup.c |
Sudha Jamthe | Aug 8, 2008 |
| New Meetup: Facebook Change-athon to migrate to new profile - Announcing a new Meetup for Facebook Application Development! What: Facebook Change-athon to migrate to new profile When: July 26, 2008 9:00 AM Where: Click the link below to find out! Meetup Description: When: | Sudha Jamthe | Jul 22, 2008 |
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Meetup updated: Facebook July Meetup - App Hosting with Google - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://socialsoftware.meetup.c |
Sudha Jamthe | Jul 8, 2008 |
| Slots Added for Developer Lunch: Fri 6/27, 12-2 pm in Palo Alto -by invitation only! - Preview not available | Bernie | Jun 24, 2008 |
| Reminder Developer Lunch: Fri 6/27, 12-2 pm in Palo Alto -by invitation only! - Preview not available | Bernie | Jun 24, 2008 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] Hosting Facebook apps on a laptop - Google App Engine- the only way to scalable long term solution- als Joyent is a great solution- you don't get something for nothing very often for very long. On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Oswald < | Mike Hosley | Jun 24, 2008 |
| June Facebook Meetup Speaker Video is ready - Wow people! Thanks for making our June Bay Area Facebook Meetup a very fun, interactive and educational evening. Blake Commagere shared his experience of expanding his network of Apps to Bebo followed by cool demos. Here is the bulk of his pres | Sudha Jamthe | Jun 24, 2008 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] Hosting Facebook apps on a laptop - We used GoGrid.com, AWS EC2, and have used Joyent. Joyent is great if you just want to play around or you like Solaris. EC2 is great if you want Ubuntu or some other variant of Linux, or a pre-configured image. (Not free). Pay per CPU usage + st | Robert Ficcaglia | Jun 23, 2008 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] Hosting Facebook apps on a laptop - You can get a free host account at http://www.freehostia.com. It comes with Debian, PHP5 and MySQL5 and I have used it to develop Facebook and Hi5 applications. Their execution response time is good. According to some survey they have on | Steve Chan | Jun 23, 2008 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] Hosting Facebook apps on a laptop - You can get first hand experience with social web application hosting at tomorrow night at cloudcamp in San Francisco. Check it out, its free. www.cloudcamp.com (or ht | Dave Nielsen | Jun 23, 2008 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] Hosting Facebook apps on a laptop - Reverse ssh tunnel technique can be used if your laptop is behind a firewall or if your laptop doesn't have a dynamic IP. Reverse tunnel for a facebook app would basically mean that facebook forwards all the requests for your app to a server that can | Jatinder Singh | Jun 23, 2008 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] Hosting Facebook apps on a laptop - Try Tunneler - http://tunnlr.com/ - I learned about it at RailsConf. It uses SSH tunneling to let your laptop serve your app while developing - even if you're behind a firewall! | Bosco So | Jun 23, 2008 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] Hosting Facebook apps on a laptop - cool ... i can say from personal experience it's very worth looking at! On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Dan Tripp < [address removed] > wrote: | Dan Newman | Jun 23, 2008 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] Hosting Facebook apps on a laptop - On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Dan Newman < [address removed] > wrote: | Dan Tripp | Jun 23, 2008 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] Hosting Facebook apps on a laptop - i should add... as Jatinder said correctly...during development you can be "hosting" on your laptop while you dev. On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Dan Newman < dpnewman@gmai | Dan Newman | Jun 23, 2008 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] Hosting Facebook apps on a laptop - LAPTOP: Create yes... host no... Joyent for a while (may still) offered a free hosting for facebook applications on a very robust "accelerator" package...that can scale as needed if your app goes nuts. Then you pay of course ...but in the | Dan Newman | Jun 23, 2008 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] Hosting Facebook apps on a laptop - It makes sense for development purposes to temporarily run your facebook app from your laptop. For production apps, considering facebook virality, you are better off using a reliable hosting provider. Thanks Jatinder On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at | Jatinder Singh | Jun 23, 2008 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] Hosting Facebook apps on a laptop - | Dan Tripp | Jun 23, 2008 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] Hosting Facebook apps on a laptop - On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Oswald < [address removed] > wrote: | A | Jun 23, 2008 |
| Hosting Facebook apps on a laptop - Hello everyone: Has anyone created a Facebook application on a laptop, or is it ill-advised, even if it's possible to do so? Second, can anyone recommend a good free hosting site or are they all more or less the same? Regards, Oswald | Oswald | Jun 23, 2008 |
| RE: [socialsoftware-21] Looking to build FB and golf app! - | Atilla Yadik | Jun 21, 2008 |
| Looking to build FB and golf app! - I'm looking to build an app on FB centered around golf and games but I'm a coding neophyte (ok, that is probably overstating my skills!) and would love to work with someone to build this. Am willing to pay, etc. Let me know if you're intereste | David | Jun 21, 2008 |
| Exclusive Developer Lunch: Fri 6/27, 12-2 pm in Palo Alto -by invitation only! - Preview not available | Bernie | Jun 19, 2008 |
| Facebook Meeting: Bebo's Head of Platform Engineering, Steve Cohen is joining us - Hi Folks, Steve Cohen, head of Platform Engg at Bebo will be joining us. Yay! Blake Commagere will share his cross platform development experience. Facebook is trying to fix some bug with all events created from a | Sudha Jamthe | Jun 17, 2008 |
| Facebook App Dev Meetup: Wed 6:30: FB-Bebo cross platform apps - Hi Folks! Our next Facebook Application Development meetup is this coming week: June 18 at 6:30pm hosted by AOL. We will be talking about building cross platform social apps, with a focus on Facebook to Bebo. For more info | Lawrence Sinclair | Jun 13, 2008 |
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Meetup details updated: Facebook Application Development June Meeting - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://socialsoftware.meetup.c |
Sudha Jamthe | Jun 13, 2008 |
| Update from Facebook Meetup - events and your app promo - Hi Folks, Code-a-thon: Action is hosting a Code-a-thon for Game developers this Sat 6/7. Here is the event RSVP on facebook: | Sudha Jamthe | Jun 4, 2008 |
| Facebook May Meetup FB Event Link - Hey Guys, I wanted to provide everyone with the link on Facebook for the May meetup. It should be a great one as we have a panel Discussing the Life Cycle of Social App. http://www | Hiren P | May 18, 2008 |
| Meeting details changed: Facebook Application Development May Meeting - Hi Everyone, I have updated the speaker details. Please note the meeting date is 20th in Palo Alto NOT 21st as you saw in the last email. Sorry for any inconvenience with this change. Pl find the full listing: | Sudha Jamthe | May 14, 2008 |
| Social Gaming Summit (SF), discount for FB Dev members - I thought this would be relevant to many members, and the organizers have also extended a 10% discount for members of the Facebook Application Development meetup. Use discount code FBAPPMEETUP, to get 10% off general admission. The S | Lawrence Sinclair | May 7, 2008 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] seeking front-end co-founder - Hi Rob: (a) We at consaid.us (primarily my wife & I who own this CA corp) are developing a unique technology Gadet Object definitions or ".GOD" based loosely on Google Gadgets-like approach with PHP/MySQL for backend Web Services. The differenc | Phillip Jain | May 6, 2008 |
| seeking front-end co-founder - Hi FB developers: We're looking for a partner to join our team of five as a technical co-founder in the San Francisco bay area. We started our careers at successful companies like Sun, Apple and Yahoo. Since then, we've been successful entrepreneurs | Rob | May 5, 2008 |
| Re: [socialsoftware-21] Needed founding level people : facebook developers, Architects, Graphics experts for a company with good IP in photos : Zumezu - Preview not available | Mike Hosley | Apr 20, 2008 |