Pictures with Santa - Everyone Welcome!

  • December 16, 2013 · 7:00 PM
  • Jamye's Place

FoF has coordinated one of our local atheist Santas to come and take pictures with young and old alike. Pictures will be sent digitally in time to share with family from the holidays, but the printing is up to you. Please let us know if you will be joining us!


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  • Whitney

    Thanks David, you look like the 'real' Santa. Jacqueline didn't even cry!

    December 16

  • Manolo

    Well, I see I share the same thoughts on this as many. As a freethinker, it is my duty to tell my daughter the truth. Playing with these issues as if it were okay is not okay. It's basically lying to your child and teaching them to lie also, or at least teaching them it is okay to lie sometimes, which it is not. I have never lied to my daughter about anything. If there is something I don't want her to know because of her age (10) I just don't tell her. She is gifted so older mentally than chronologically. She understands when something is not age appropriate for her and lets it go.

    December 15

    • Whitney

      Waiting till the child asks about Santa I don't think really came across...or maybe it is because I had to read from my phone and missed a line. Anyway, Liam, if you wait to talk about the truth of Santa till your kids are asking questions then that is what I agree with. It would be a little bit hard on kids to have society tell them Santa is real then not know the truth unless you play along till the kid starts to reason it out.

      December 16

    • Whitney

      Manolo was arguing for simply not entertaining the Santa myth at all because it is a lie etc etc...and is what some of the replies are addressing.

      December 16

  • A former member
    A former member

    I still have a week of classes due to the ice, so I will check back on the weekend. I also agree that it is OK to disagree. And nothing is healthier among freethinkers than a thoughtful debate. Have a great week!

    December 16

  • J Carr

    I fail to see how simply telling your child that there is no Santa is teaching them how to think critically. I often tell my students "I teach HOW to think, not WHAT to think." I think my child is better served by analyzing the readily available data and learning how to put together the story herself rather than being spoon fed the "reality" of it. I don't correct her when she takes her TRex figurine and hugs the triceratops toy, but I do take her to the museum and let her watch documentaries of what we understand about dinosaur behavior and timelines. One can teach imaginative play and critical thinking skills at the same time. But simply telling your children that a belief is wrong doesn't teach them any skills to figure it out themselves. If you are teaching them about data the important part of that is to let THEM analyze it. Good science doesn't come conclusion first.

    1 · December 16

    • A former member
      A former member

      So, you are right about the importance of imagination. However, the Santa Lie does not actually promote imaginative play. As Dr. David Kyle Johnson says in Psychology Today (2012), “Imagination involves pretending, and to pretend that something exists, one has to believe that thing doesn’t exist. Does the Christian “imagine” that Jesus rose from the dead? Does the Muslim “imagine” that Muhammad’s rode his horse at lightning speed from Mecca to Jerusalem and then ascended into heaven? Of course not; they believe these things are true. Tricking a child into literally believing that Santa exists doesn’t encourage imagination, it actually stifles it.”

      December 16

    • A former member
      A former member

      He goes on to say, “Lots of children “play act” like they are Santa, and that does require imagination. But you don’t have to trick them into believing that Santa is real in order for them to play that way—just as you don’t have to trick them into thinking that Star Trek is real in order for them to pretend to explore alien planets in the back yard.”

      December 16

  • Manolo

    I may not agree with your thoughts on the matter, I may not even like it, but I will respect it. I think the one thing that we should agree on, is being able to disagree.

    December 16

  • Jean Weinstein

    Rather than telling her about Santa, perhaps you might want to wait until she asks. The first thing children notice is that there is a Santa in every store and on every corner. In my family, it didn't take long for the youngest to figure out the scam and take advantage of the free candy or small toy.

    At Disney World, they only allow one actress to portray each princess. Disney is quite aware that children are observant and intelligent.

    1 · December 15

  • A former member
    A former member

    Uh... hopefully none of the young people have been told that there IS a Santa. Even if not, why is it that many of you feel the need to assimilate/simulate this whole cult tradition? I don't mean just Christmas traditions, but Sunday morning family events as well with a kind of Sunday School? Because other families do? Sorry, but I get neither this Santa thing nor the need to provide a secular "Sunday School" experience. As someone who is guided by rational hypotheses, I am open to new data from any of you on these issues, so please, if I am off-base, I am open to clarification. Thanks for your patience. [closing eyes and readying for the punches]

    Liam

    December 9

    • Moniqa Aylin

      I'm a grownup who thinks it would be silly good fun to have her picture taken with Santa, is all.

      1 · December 11

    • A former member
      A former member

      Please read, "Sorry Virginia, Santa and All Other Magic is Not Observable and Measurable Data" at https://hit.academia.e...­

      December 15

  • April A

    I am disappointed to have to miss the Santa get together. It sounds like a fun group, and a fun time will be had by all. (I'll be attending my kids' holiday -- dare I say Christmas? -- concert). Another time ...

    December 15

  • Jennifer Dawson

    I am very excited to meet all of you tomorrow. My son who is 4months will be there to get his photo taken. That being said I was quite interested in the debate going on regarding Santa. I myself wondered about this during my pregnancy. We had known that we wouldn't have any religion in the home but what about fictional characters. After much thought and research I came to the conclusion that Santa and the other ficitional characters are actually quite healthy. I do understand not wanting to "lie" to our children but we read stories, watch cartoons etc and don't find it nevessary to sit our children down and have a heart to heart about the legitamcy of it all. Truth is childhood is a time of wonder, imagination and awe, one that is all too short. There's plenty of time for our children to be black and white as adults but I believe it's good to let them run wild with their imaginations. That being said if and when my son asks me if Santa is actually real I will tell him the truth but by him asking means he's al

    2 · December 15

  • Joel

    Hey you naysayers, it is not Santa or Saint Nicholas that you should be worried about your child thinking exists, it is the flipside of St Nick's persona The Krampus. Nightmares for a lifetime!!
    Be careful what you say and do because The Krampus may come after you!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?fe...­ .... http://www.krampus.com/who-is-k...­

    2 · December 15

    • Jennifer Dawson

      Growing up with a stepmother from Frankfurt I had to see Krampus too many times lol

      1 · December 15

  • Whitney

    Guest is baby J

    December 12

  • A former member
    A former member

    Sorry for the misunderstanding . Christianity itself is technically a Graeco-Romanized cult from Judaism. I was not referring to anything else and certainly not referring to this group as a cult, if that is what it sounded like. And yes, for me as a Western Civ teacher, both words, "cult" and "christianity" do conjure up some unpleasant, even blood-soaked imagery: Charlemagne's Bloody Verdict of Verdun, the Inquisition, the Crusades, centuries of the murderous pogroms and genocide of the Reconquista, centuries of the death penalty by burning of "heretics" and "witches," anti-abortionist, anti-gay and other Christian hate-group terrorism. I am just more inclined to follow Nietzsche's suggestion to "smash it with a hammer" (to my "child" at least), than to create an alternative to it with the same traditions. I guess I prefer to attempt to "repeal and replace" on a personal and family level.

    December 11

  • A former member
    A former member

    Hey folks, don't get me wrong here. I am not being judgmental at all. I just asked an honest question and wanted to hear your feedback. My only kid is now a professor at University of Oregon, so it has been a long time since I was a family type, and I just wanted to get some rationale from a few members so I can have more data to ponder. So thanks and please don't feel judged or threatened. OK?

    December 11

    • J Carr

      I think the use of the term "cult" in your initial post could be misread as rather judgmental. The terminology of that word conjugures up some not so pleasant associations or imagery.

      2 · December 11

  • Moniqa Aylin

    This sounds fun! Will there be a fee for the photos?

    December 11

    • J Carr

      We will be covering the fee for Santa David but donations are welcome and will all go to supplement his lost holiday income (due to weather related gig-loss)

      2 · December 11

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