League of Occult Research & Education - Monthly Meetup

This month's meetup will be at: Dirty Dave's Pizza 3939 Martin Way East Olympia WA 98501 (360)[masked]

Schedule

7:00pm - Pizza or munchies and/or drinks

7:30pm - SHORT VIDEOS ON CURRENT OCCULT NEWS

8pm Workshop: SPIRITUAL FUSION - "a rapid method to change consciousness"

9pm Q&A plus Show & Tell and Show & ASK (folks bring object and group helps identify, like plants, gems, jewelry, photo, symbol, dream, etc.)

Note: Dirty Daves is a family friendly bar and pizza parlor.

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  • David

    Anna, imho.....we get tangled when we look outside of ourselves.

    June 12, 2013

  • Anna

    Can we even assume that consciousness, or life, is necessarily as we have been told? As you say, Gandalf, it may not have location in the usual sense. like David said, we may be in it more than it is in us. Nor is it "energy" in the usual sense, like electricity or calories, but more like enthusiasm, desire, strength, motivation. I think we get tangled in our own metaphors and forget thats all they are. A form of idol.

    June 12, 2013

  • David

    There are some, myself included, who believe this reality is a part of the astral. Bill Hicks also said a waitress once asked him.."what you readin fer?"

    June 10, 2013

  • Gandlf the G.

    NDE string theory which postulates dimension to the tenth I believe now of course it is now given way to M theory. this leads me to think consciousness might be multidimensional and definitely non local. The Celistine Prophesy stated we could create a body of light in which our consciousness can reside. Though I can't say I've gotten there yet does seem worth striving for Then again as Bill Hicks used to say "life is just a ride" Will we get to the point of a conscious machine I don't think so because it is tied tightly to spirit that spark of life we all have.

    June 10, 2013

  • Anna

    Ultimately my main interest in George's thesis is from the standpoint of Artificial Life.
    If awareness is not any of the things mentioned, it's gonna be harder to create, isn't it?
    What's your take on that, Ruth and George?

    1 · June 6, 2013

    • James

      That video, and physics, would appear to indicate that consciousness (observer) follows gravitational laws, thus revolves around the sun and follows the sun as it revolves around the center of the milky way, which in turn is also moving, and on and on.. On the astral being a simulation the Michael Persinger work that George recommended describes how the cellular and wifi signals have replaced the 'etheric' where psychic phenomena occurs, blotting it out. So there must therefore be some sort of similarities shared by the artificial and natural..

      June 7, 2013

  • Gandlf the G.

    came across this video by John Searle about consciousness that seem very relevant though it brings up other questions/concerns in my subjective consciousness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yCii726A4Jc

    June 7, 2013

  • Anna

    I guess I mean artificial intelliegence

    June 6, 2013

    • Ruth E S.

      This is George. As I see it all human "intelligence"­ is already artificial in that intelligence is based on memory and cognitive processing, and this we create in the course of living. If awareness (consciousness) is not limited by space or time then any sufficient capacity for logic and memory as well as recursive meta-perception will result in a sentient, self-aware mind whether operating in a carbon-based fleshly machine body, or one made of metal, or even virtual in a virtual reality within cyberspace. -George

      1 · June 7, 2013

  • Anna

    The thing that I feel really challenged as unable to detach from would be genitals, particularly at certain moments. Thus could be either pleasure as in orgasm or pain as in childbirth (a very compelling experience.) These are transient states, but I cannot honestly tell what "space" I am occupying at those moments. Isn't that why people call it being "out of your mind"? I guess I feel like in moments of intensity, I have melded with my body, my emotions, the situation. I am not entirely sure it is a bad thing, like maybe that's what we are here on earth to do. Being detached is only a goal if one feels in trapped or tied down.
    Absolutely there are ways I could benefit by getting some distance certain things and detaching from them. Definitely therapeutic in those cases. But is detachment particular like this, or does it work as a systemic/global attitude? From many things in my life, I would not benefit by getting emotional distance.

    June 6, 2013

    • Ruth E S.

      This is George. Excellent considerations! This principle of divided awareness can be applied to any experience as desired. There was a question about pain control, for example. Jack Schwartz who was carefully tested by researchers Elmer and Alyce Green at Menninger back in the late 60's (as I recall) could remove his experience of pain as was verified by GSR feedback when he would thrust a large steel needle through his biceps. He explained that when doing so it was no longer "HIS arm", but "AN arm". Same thing. -George (continued)

      June 7, 2013

    • Ruth E S.

      (This is George continuing) And of course I apply this principle piecemeal with counseling clients on everything from habit control to emotional issues such as relationships, depression, anxiety, etc. Recognizing this is a fourth state of conscious awareness, apart from sleep, dreaming, and normal waking, tends to cause the more "ambitious" or "spiritual" or just curious individual to choose to enter it more and more. Because it is our natural (pre-verbal) way of perceiving the world it is easier to return to once grasped for what it really is. -George

      June 7, 2013

  • Anna

    Absolutely fabulous meeting. I have lots of questions and opinions of my own and arguments. Compressing the weekend into 1 hour certainly multiplies the tendency to argue, since we do not get a chance to really experience the process with our whole bodies, I think. Instead we sort of experience it as an academic question. When people see something only cerebrally they tend to argue with it. And indeed it is our loss not to have experienced the longer version. On the other hand, nobody paid hundreds of dollars-- we got the essentials for free, so nobody's complaining!

    1 · June 6, 2013

    • Ruth E S.

      Glad you enjoyed it! -George

      June 7, 2013

  • Anna

    Plenty of material here for a good sized book. Did you ever write it out in that way?

    June 6, 2013

    • Ruth E S.

      This is George. A few years ago I created a 5 session video series on VHS tape that walked through the entire set of principles. I'll probably do this again in modern digital format. -George

      June 7, 2013

  • David

    I do agree that we are not our thoughts, not our fears, and ultimately while I have a body I am not my body, and I am not my soul. Soul is limiting anyway. It was nice to see new people and nice to see Michael again...didn't recognize him at first however. Wish I had those web sites that James was using to check them out.

    June 4, 2013

    • Ruth E S.

      Michael, if you want to dig into what you "are" then the simplicity of this approach shines through. You are not your experiences (any more than that coffee cup I was pointing to). It really is a simple principle, easily verified. Anything you can experience can't be you. If you know about it you are not it, whatever it is. The practical applications are abundant. Most people are fully identified with their roles in life, with how well or poorly they do at this or that. However by simply telling the truth about how you can know what you are not then all of that unnecessary emotional baggage can be dropped off. So it really is easy to apply this approach to anything and determine quite quickly what is the truth of the matter. Your personailty habits are the "sum total of your experiences" but you are not your habits or personality. (If you can know about the habits, attitudes, patterns, memories - anything - then they are not you). -George (continued),

      June 5, 2013

    • Ruth E S.

      Continuing...I use this principle daily to help other people suddenly realize that they are not what they do or have done or will do or what others have or have not done to them. The second insight is that when you no longer think you are what you do then you are far more free to do what you really want to do, You can feel the pain/obstacles and do it anyway. (You are not the pain!) Most people are busy fighting themselves because they think they are their problems. ("I am a smoker/alcoholic/drug abuser/murderer/depresse­d person/etc.") Seeing through that illusion removes the need to change who or what you are completely. Then one can simply decide what to do differently to get a different outcome. These ideas are really alien to our culture and tossing them out over such a wide range of applications is not what I usually do. That is why I think it was confusing to the extent that it was. Hope this helps better clarify what I was trying to communicate. -George

      June 5, 2013

  • David

    IMHO, the best part is the fact that there continues to be dialog on the meetup. Not seen much of that in the "past".

    June 5, 2013

  • Gandlf the G.

    overall the presentation were good and helpful. Though George I'm still not sure about retaining ego in my attempt to come into full expression of spirit. as you pointed out the idea of meditation is to achieve No mind or total silence The I as observer I understand and when I meditate I am centered and ground which puts me where you had us point or does it?

    1 · June 4, 2013

    • Ruth E S.

      The word "ego" has a number of different definitions. I almost always run into problems using that word. I usually prefer to focus on where someone is looking from and then coming to recognize through that experience that the qualities of that "looking from place" (behind your face and through the eyes) reveal that the same qualities seem to be those of anyone else's "looking from space". The awareness coming from behind your eyes seems to need a mind to be a conscious as we generally use that word. Additionally one's memories are critical to have a sense of individual identity. I think the real trick is to stop assuming that awareness, mind, and memories are generated by the physical brain. I find that so-called "transmission theory" seems to fit the evidence better and removes many seeming contradictions. -George

      June 4, 2013

    • Ruth E S.

      Gandolf, this is George again, I just realized you were asking a question. I'll try to answer. If you are aware of both what you are looking at (experiencing) AND at the same time aware of the fact that you are there doing that looking then that is what I am referring to. Awareness of awareness being aware is this form of divided attention. When you do this there is what I could describe as as a self-multiplying, cycling effect of greater wakefulness. For such things as meditation it can make all the difference in the world. For things more "practical" (making changes in the experiential world) it is simple to do by comparison and less complicated to describe by far. But once you get it then it is forever more the most obvious thing and usually results in laughing at just how obvious it always was. -George

      June 4, 2013

  • David

    George, your presentation was excellent however I am not sure at this point where I am at with it, I am just beginning my study of Non-Duality so do not feel qualified to comment from that perspective (when has that stopped me?) but the piece you presented was very interesting and I think I shall look at it some more. Thanks.

    1 · June 4, 2013

    • Ruth E S.

      Glad you enjoyed it. It seems that both the duality and non-duality views can be correct depending upon the context. -George

      June 4, 2013

    • Ruth E S.

      This is George again. I wanted to explain what I meant a bit better. All identification comes from thinking "I am X" (whether in words or not). The awareness (which is really you - your "secret identity" - simply is awareness. Anything you can experience - mental, physical, emotional - is experienced by (and within!) awareness. So when you look outward (or inward) and recognize that your awareness is what all experience is "inside of" and then you say "I am my awareness" that is non-duality, the "one (your awareness) without a second". When you operate from any particular experience as a "do-er" then you are simply choosing duality. Operating from non-duality as a do-er then is both. That is what I mean when I say both views can be correct depending on the context. -George

      June 4, 2013

  • James

    Next time that we have a 'presenter' at LORE we should have a whiteboard or whitepaper on the wall, that would have helped anchor some of George's concepts from the presentation. Personally I found that the "observer" perspective is easy enough to entertain but requires energy to maintain, so falling back into distractions and drama is relaxing by comparison. I could suspend disbelief about what George was saying as a way to try and understand the key points of that perspective. In watching and reading about memory and consciousness I feel like I now have a few extra tips or "cheats", for example check out this panel on memory and consciousness, I found many of the concepts LORE discussed to be key elements here as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtdSDXl_QE4

    June 4, 2013

    • Ruth E S.

      I promise to look at this video when I am at my own computer. James, I have gotten lazy in using a whiteboard but the fault is mine. -George

      June 4, 2013

  • Michael

    Well, it was nice to see everyone again, and the visual demonstrations from the LORE blog. George's presentation---well, maybe its due to a 3 day seminar being compressed into a one hour presentation, but I really didn't get his explanations. Some of the ideas presented I think could be explained differently, because I didn't see how it could benefit me in any way.

    1 · June 4, 2013

    • Ruth E S.

      Sorry that my presentation did not connect with you. I really do think that my effort to address the different perspectives at the same time - simple sensory, metaphysical, occult, self-help - was the reason that happened. The approach is really quite easy as it all stems directly from our fundamental sensory perspective. -George

      June 4, 2013

  • Ruth E S.

    Lively and very well attended.

    1 · June 3, 2013

  • David

    It was brill!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    1 · June 3, 2013

  • Anna

    is there a topic?

    May 29, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    My cousin Will is coming in my place. He lives nearby and is great. I hope thats okay. If not please contact me.

    1 · June 3, 2013

    • James

      hey that's great

      June 3, 2013

  • Ruth E S.

    George offers to give the topic for Monday evening: I can offer to do my workshop/presentation on Spiritual Fusion: a simple change in perspective using the normal evidence of the senses reveals how you are not your roles, behaviors, body, emotions, mind, etc. Reveals directly the classic Zen experience of directly experiencing your "Original Face" from before you were born. Applications to such things as meditation, ritual, lucid dreaming, remote viewing, out of body experience, Hermetic metaphysics, etc., as well as more normal mundane applications such as quitting smoking, changing habits, reducing stress, depression, anxiety. A rapid method to change consciousness without anything other than a shift in how you look at things through your senses. Let us know!

    Ruth

    1 · May 29, 2013

    • Ruth E S.

      Thanks, guys! We'll be there! George can't miss out on his pizza.... :D

      May 30, 2013

    • David

      Can hardly wait!!

      June 2, 2013

  • James

    Cicada 3301 was proposed as a topic as well.

    May 29, 2013

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