League of Occult Research & Education - Monthly Meetup

This month's meetup will be at:

Dirty Dave's Pizza
3939 Martin Way East
Olympia WA 98501
(360) 456-1560
Schedule

7:00pm Pizza or munchies and/or drinks

7:30pm Workshop: TO BE ANNOUNCED - SUGGEST IDEAS
We usually determine a meetup topic the month prior to the next meetup, except in the case of guest speakers. If you wish to present your book or topic please contact one of the organizers.

8:30pm Show & Tell and Show & ASK (folks bring object and group helps identify, like plants, gems, jewelry, photo, symbol, dream, etc.)

9:00pm Occult northwest news announcements & discussion

What is "show-and-ask"?
Occasionally someone will bring an object, book or other interesting artifact (or just a good story!) to share with the group for feedback, something they always wanted to figure out, get commentary on, insight, etc. (like a piece of jewelry that you dont know what the stones are in it, or a strange plant, or a dream you had that you would like help interpreting, etc.)

Note: Dirty Daves is a family friendly bar and pizza parlor.

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  • George S.

    Anyone interested in discussing Peter Novak's theories about the BSD (Binary Soul Doctrine)? I've read his two books in which he proposes that many of the strange mental effects reported by NDEs, OBEs, PLRs (Past Life Regressions) stem from partial or complete separation of the conscious mind from the unconscious mind. If nothing else it is interesting to see how his single supposition offers a possible explanation for many puzzles reported for these phenomena. His two books are Division of Consciousness and The Lost Secret of Death.

    3 · January 29, 2014

    • Ruth E S.

      Yes. You were correct, I think. The point about the false memory stuff is that the mind CAN take on exogenously generated memory and call it its own.

      February 9, 2014

    • George S.

      Michael, Ruth is correct. There is a mental mechanism that causes a person to assume that a memory is a "real" memory of their own and they then identify with it. Dr. Loftus has been using that mechanism for years in inducing memories that couldn't happen (such as remembering seeing Warner Brother's characters wandering Disneyland long before the Roger Rabbit movie). These were not "poor" memories at all. For the subjects Loftus worked with the subjects are astonished that something they clearly remember as "actually happening" never did and could not have. So accessing a "past life memory" of some dead guy and getting the impression that it was YOUR past life doesn't prove that it was at all. But Novak's hypothesis is far more interesting than this minor issue. He "buys" that past lives/reincarnation is real but so is a non-reincarnation afterlife ...and all at the same time! (Love this stuff!).

      February 9, 2014

  • Mark

    I also noted that she did not discuss the schisms of Theosophy into many competing schools. A lot of that came from Blavatsky's inner circle billing themselves as "ascended masters". A number of theosophists rebelled against this. the were those who studied Buddhism more and wanted to synthesize it with western thought. WWII also split as the Europeans did, with occultists taking sides too.

    2 · February 6, 2014

  • Michael

    I admit I am not up on my Theosophy, but thought there was an awful lot of jargon being thrown around by our guest. While I did receive a few answers (like what the Waldorf school was), I was getting rather bored because I had no idea as to what our guest was talking about most of the time. Just little tidbits here and there I recognized (like Ahriman being from Zoroastrianism). If you are trying to explain something, you don't go out of your way to be obtuse. (But I guess I kept quiet because it would've interrupted the flow of the presentation).

    2 · February 4, 2014

    • Michael

      I think part of my not understanding her is that Theosophy (or deeper discussions of it) does not really fall in my interest area. My interests fall more in the historical and spiritual realms, the former requiring evidence and the latter not as much, but accepted with the realization that what ever is being discussed falls into the area of personal speculation/personal gnosis. Our guest seemed a little too sure of what she was explaining to us as being utterly true, and so inviting my skepticism at what I felt to be speculation rather than truth.

      February 5, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      I agree with Michael for the most part. I knew enough about Theosophy but I still get tense when it feels like someone is proselytizing - there are other terms for the same concepts that were presented but I guess this is why I favor conceptual conversation over strict historical rundowns merged into a theory that ... I wanted to argue against frankly, because I could in all logic but it would have been rude. She did seem very certain there was only one way and it was hers. That is why I felt defensive I suppose. Maybe I was imagining all of it.

      February 5, 2014

  • David

    I will be back in March and will explain my absence at that time.

    1 · February 3, 2014

  • Ruth E S.

    Heard about Rudolf Steiner, learned some about his effect on various subsequent threads of thought; quite fascinating, both the history and the philosophy.

    1 · February 3, 2014

    • Ruth E S.

      James - yeah, becoming conversant with the jargon helps a lot. And there's SO MUCH jargon!!! I still remember being surprised over this one: After WWII there was increasing talk about 'free love' - and there were those who identified with Victorians who were advocating 'free love' back in that day.

      February 4, 2014

    • Ruth E S.

      Hmm. I guess there aren't any paragraphs... Well, I learned that Victorian 'free love' was NOT referring to sex, but to divorce! Makes you wonder how much we misunderstand from past writings. Humor cut loose from its context would by itself cause all sorts of confusion!!

      February 4, 2014

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