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Re: [furries-290] A Few Ambitions

From: Caly
Sent on: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:18 AM
If you wanted to do something more about the morality / social organization of the future you could always join Starfleet.  Kind of an attempt to start to build something like that early on.

Though, really it's more about donating things to soup kitchens and the like, so far.

On Aug 29, 2012, at 9:11 AM, "Alex Maurin" <[address removed]> wrote:

> I would tend to agree, Amaroq, that there's nothing wrong with what my
> dad calls "Enlightened Self-Interest."
> It means that although you recognize that all humans ultimately act in
> their own self interest 99.8% of the time or whatever, you can delay
> gratification, and IF you are patient enough to invest wisely, etc, you
> can actually improve the quality of life for many people by "You
> scratch my back, I scratch yours" type of deals.
> Business, and by extension, corporations, are not evil by definition,
> unless you're an agorist, who believes that chartering with a government
> automatically makes you evil as an extension of that government.
> No, Although direct electronic democracy can theoretically be a good
> thing, really, what we need is a GOOD dictator. The problem is "How do
> we find a GOOD dictator?" which leads to "How do we ensure the
> good dictator is actually a well-intentioned and competent person?"
> I'm hoping that a dictatorship that's informed by up to the millisecond
> news and information using a digital infrastructure for feedback on
> decision-making and clear representation by every significant group of
> society, we could build a REALLY EPIC Space-Faring society and culture
> which really would colonize the stars.
> Enlightened self-interest is not bad, only myopic ignorant greed is
> bad, where you ignorantly destroy your capital for short-term gains
> when and kill the goose that lays the golden egg, along with every cash
> cow. It's stupidity.
> No, what you do is collar the cash cows and gold-laying gooses, treat
> them nicely, but give them cell phones, insurance policies, and
> gps-tracking collars, and make them feel supremely safe and content to
> be in your household. Make them never want to leave.
> This is the smart thing to do.
> I do not know if I will ever make the kind of money that would be
> required to pay SpaceX to deliver the colonization equipment to the
> moon, but I'm damned if I'm not going to try. It's TOO COOL not to!
> Arx Ferae here on Earth, though, will probably start off as just a
> Furry Village within the Seattle metropolitan area. Start out as a
> collection of buildings, and eventually "colonize" an entire skyline
> condo building over time. Thing is, if I can make enough money, I
> could help people pay off their mortgages, which would enable them to
> do other things.
> We'll see.
> Actuary science is a pretty good career, but to make the truly big
> bucks, I need to see if I can't break into investment banking.
> Investment banking is buying and selling stocks and bonds, mutual
> funds and the like, raising capital for corporations, and the buying out
> and merging of corporations.
> Since the Glass Steagall Banking Act of 1933 was repealed in 1999, you
> can be ALL THREE: an insurance corporation, retail bank, and investment
> bank all in one, thus concentrating the wealth as much as possible
> So long as you are wise, responsible, and judicious with the money
> saved, concentrating the wealth in a single place like this is
> theoretically a good thing, in that you can then make bigger deals and
> give better rates to your clients. 
> A cooperative bank is a good idea, and I'll certainly look into it, but
> I'm also looking at a hybrid system as well, where it's one third
> consumer's cooperative, one third worker's cooperative, and one third
> traditional joint-stock corporation.
> We'll see.
> I have not decided exactly what I want to do, but I'm considering the
> concept of a geek/hacker and furry-oriented credit union that
> eventually expands into a hybrid cooperative bank.
> It would make more money than game middleware, as much fun as that
> would be. No, why not reach for the stars?
> So basically, my TENTATIVE plan is to become a financial actuary, do
> that for about 10 years, build up money, then found a credit union
> oriented around artists, geeks/hackers, and furries, make that my niche
> to start out with, maybe even partner with DeviantArt or Electronic
> Frontier Foundation? Along the next 10 years, I'd eventually mutate the
> credit union into a hybrid semi-cooperative bank and insurance
> corporation.
> If I follow this plan, I would specialize in pet insurance, mortgages
> and loans for housing cooperatives, and merges and acquisitions related
> to cooperatives of any kind. I need a niche if I am to survive
> financially.
> So, we'll see how I'm going to make the money in order to reach for the
> stars, but even if I DONT end up being capable of colonizing the moon,
> I can still do a LOT of good, strengthening our culture and society
> here on Earth doing my utter best to try.
> On Wed, 29 Aug[masked]:56:56 -0400
> Amaroq <[address removed]> wrote:
>> There's something I want to say here that would probably be more
>> fitting as a response to the previous topic. But it would be negative
>> if I brought it up there, and positive if I brought it up here, so I
>> choose to do it here.
>> Someone said that greed is one of the things that will destroy the
>> human race. But THIS is what greed really is. Just wanting something
>> for yourself. Having an ambition and following it. If you remove all
>> of the negatives that people always package in with that concept,
>> greed is really a good thing. Greed brought us every innovation we
>> have, and lifted our standard of living from the point where we were
>> dying in our teens and twenties to the point where we can relax on
>> over 100 degree days due to air conditioning, electricity, and we
>> have this amazing system called the internet, and computers that
>> we're using to instantly talk to each other right now. Etc etc etc
>> etc etc.
>> People wanting something for themselves and working for it is what
>> lifted us up. Not what will destroy us. Whether it's Henry Ford
>> inventing the assembly line, or his employees working on it. Everyone
>> who wants something and works for it not only lifts themselves, but
>> lifts society up as a secondary consequence. So dream big, and if you
>> really think you can do it, pursue those dreams. Who knows. You might
>> be the, or one of the, people who does finally bring the rest of us
>> to the moon someday.
>> (It's not in a bank's greedy self-interest to lend to people who
>> can't pay it back. Because if the person doesn't pay it back, the
>> bank loses money. It's traditionally the bank's own ass on the line
>> when they lend, which means they have to be careful about who they
>> lend it to. But government guaranteed loans, the existence of the
>> Fed, and other interventions in the economy, made it so the banks
>> didn't have to worry about going under if they made bad loans.
>> Essentially, some goody two-shoes said "It's greedy and evil that
>> banks won't lend to people who can't afford it",  implemented a
>> government policy that makes it so banks can/have to lend to those
>> who can't afford it, and now we're blaming the banks instead of the
>> government, where the blame really lies.)
>> ---------------
>> ~Amaroq Wolf
>> ____________________­____________
>> From: Keeko <[address removed]>
>> To: [address removed] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29,[masked]:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [furries-290] A Few Ambitions
>> I like the idea. XD It's not a bad thing to have such lofty goals, I
>> totally want to see moon colonies happen, and I wish you the best of
>> luck! On Aug 28,[masked]:04 PM, "Alex Maurin" <[address removed]>
>> wrote:
>> And now for something completely different:
>>> http://www.spacex...­
>>> What do you guys think about the idea of a lunar colony complete
>>> with hotels and condos?
>>> Would you consider moving to the moon?
>>> The colonies would probably be underground and pressurized, and the
>>> industry would largely the mining of titanium and exotic metals, and
>>> maybe even helium-3.
>>> Although helium-3 is theoretical, the titanium export would bring in
>>> the money necessary to build in enough manufacturing equipment and
>>> planetary support to construct additional pylons-- i mean factories
>>> on the moon, and allow us to build entire cities with multiple mining
>>> operations across the lunar surface.
>>> Something I'm going to shoot for with my degree in mathematics is to
>>> attempt building up enough capital to found a lunar colony.
>>> Yes, I know it's highly ambitious, but I have an actual shot at doing
>>> it.
>>> With a degree in mathematics, i can balance between finance and
>>> actuary science, and astrophysics and aeronautics.
>>> This way, i can make the money necessary to get the funding i need to
>>> actually put together a business plan to colonize the moon.
>>> I can see it now: low gravity bouncing fursuiters parading in a space
>>> hotel on the moon.. x3
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