Re: FW: RE: Re: [transhumanism-14] Re: transhumanism VS intergralism

From: Luis
Sent on: Sunday, September 7, 2008 12:53 PM
In an open discussion I don't think any relevant topic should be taken off the table. It IS important to discus all of the ramifications of transhumanism including the social and societal aspects. I am all for a liberal, inclusive sharing of the technology and ideas that will make things like life extension and mind expansion possible. The philosophy of intergralism we are discussing certainly sounds like an ideal worth striving for in an ideal world. What we need to remember is that there is alot of fear and ignorance regarding this movement. In the real world, there is a large conservative and religious segment of the population that considers transhumanism and it's related technologies to be unnatural and an abomitination against god. There is also a legitmate concern about the stratification of society as we enter the posthuman era. Ray Kurzweil predicts that these technologies will come to maturity within the next two to three decades. Will the rich and powerful have access to these technologies first and will they share it with the rest of us? There is an active anti-transhumanist movement that will only become stronger and more ingrained against us as the reality and consequences of what we are doing becomes more obvious. I think the practice of intergralism is something to consider after our advancement to a transhuman state of existence, after we have safely secured our place in the world.
 


--- On Sun, 9/7/08, postjam <[address removed]> wrote:
From: postjam <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: FW: RE: Re: [transhumanism-14] Re: transhumanism VS intergralism
To: [address removed]
Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 10:46 AM

strike that, -shelved.

On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 10:45 AM, postjam <[address removed]> wrote:
so why do you belong to this group? what about transhumanism interests you?

On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Perry Metzger <[address removed]> wrote:

andrew <[address removed]> writes:
> hey,
> some clarification is in order.
> 1.  i did not mean this conservative
>  blood and soil integralism, not at all.
> 2.  i did mean ken wilbur's works and
> philosophy.
> 3  the idea came from "what is enlighten-
> ment" magazine's evolution special and the
> fair treatment they gave the TH movement.
> 4.  please forget the integralis of #1 and
> take look at wilbur's stuff.

I don't believe in any system that treats human beings like they're
some sort of toys to be played with to suit other people's ideas of
how to produce a good society.

If insane academics wish to conduct social experiments, they should do
it on themselves, and on no one else. The 20th century saw a long
series of social experiments, and I believe the total death toll was
in the hundreds of millions. No thanks.


Perry



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