Re: [agnostic-145] Open Event Scheduling

From: Joshua
Sent on: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:15 AM
That's interesting; I'm not sure I understand what you mean about Judaism not being a faith-based religion, although I might understand it. It sort of "rings true". Can you explain?

As for Christianity, there's Gandhi statement about liking Christ, but not Christians, who are not Christ-like. I don't know, I know many Christians who are exactly what you would think of if you learned about the religion without knowing its actually history or followers. I think Europeans just got tired of religion due to the constant wars fought over power but with the pretense of "you aren't worshiping correctly". Unfortunately, they are still intolerant of non-Christians, including Muslims and Jews.

This fall I'm supposed to go to an Islamic wedding in Turkey, but the couple aren't really adherents to Islam; they're doing it for their families. One is from Pakistan, and it will be interesting to see the Pakistanis and Turks together. Very different lifestyles and worlds.

vr
Joshua


From: BenNC <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18,[masked]:15 AM
Subject: RE: [agnostic-145] Open Event Scheduling

So I associate freely with people of many religious identities - but, to your point, more often from the outside than in. I find I am least tolerant of the Christian perspective because most Christians know so very little about their own book, church, religious history etc. but I find my Islamic friends are a curiosity; more because I have much more to learn about that religion.

My Jewish friends (recently came out as atheist; but has no problem associating with his community through the church)
Bear in mind however, that Judaism is not a faith-based religion; so the loss of faith is less significant to one's relationship to the community.

Ben



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Subject: Re: [agnostic-145] Open Event Scheduling
From: Mary <[address removed]>
Date: Tue, July 17,[masked]:05 pm
To: [address removed]

This is how out of touch I am... I thought bagels & lox was just a NYC thing... ^_^

I have always found it interesting that there is a Jewish culture which is often apart from the religious worship.  I would love to hear your insights as to what drives Jewish families to associate as culturally "Jewish" where a Christian family (for example) without the religion of Christianity doesn't necessarily have a comparable "culture" to fall back on... unless they're more recent immigrants, I suppose?  It's all a puzzle to me, really.

I guess broadly my question is, without a *religious* culture to align with, is there a culture that you (the members of this group) do identify with?  My family came to this country centuries ago and mixed with all different nationalities so I don't really have one.

Cheers,
Mary S

On Jul 17, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Joshua wrote:

So I received an email from Ben explaining that this was not a reference to Jews. There are a lot of us in the freethinkers and skeptics communities, and we still identify as culturally Jewish, if for no other reason than we're just a much a target of antisemitic hatred as Chasids. I was upset that I felt that Jews were being singled out, but I misunderstood the comment (apparently bagels & lox is now goyische, who knew?). 

Anyway, I will be making a burnt offering of peace following the ritual slaughter of a sacrificial tofu. 

Joshua

On Jul 17, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Joshua <[address removed]> wrote:

Nice screed against all religious people, but special thanks for singling out the Jews! For future reference, "bagels and lox" could be replaced with jewels or furs or, if you want a fun bible twist, money-lending.


From: BenNC <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, July 17,[masked]:20 AM
Subject: RE: [agnostic-145] Open Event Scheduling

Ah:

Maybe we should get together to avoid taxes, eat human flesh, drink human blood, express our intolerance for women, and those with incompatible superstitions, then we should demand the government push our choices on everyone else's children, under threat of the local sheriff/truancy officer. We could invent a new "speak only" language, replace hospitals, insulin and antibiotics with incantation therapy, and demand 10% of people's money to line our silk pockets with gold bullion, and hang Galileo in effigy. After that we could raise money to support the oppression of a native people in a foreign country on religious grounds by selling bagels and lox in the cafeteria - tax free!

Sounds fun. when and where?

:)




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Subject: Re: [agnostic-145] Open Event Scheduling
From: Paul Moloney <[address removed]>
Date: Mon, July 16,[masked]:00 pm
To: [address removed]

I'm a generalist which means I know a little about a lot as opposed to a specialist who knows a lot about a little. A generalist learns less & less about more & more until he knows nothing about everything & a specialist learns more& more about less & less until he knows everything about nothing. My idea is to do something that is traditionally associated with churches to show that just because we have varying degrees of disbelief in a spiritual deity we're still good people involved with the welfare of our fellow citizens of the world. I don't think that's just me that feels that way. Secular humanism? A specialist could maybe fill in the specifics. There's also that thing that CAA did with the billboards but that would cost. That's right. I have ideas just not original ones.

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From: Amanda Canady <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Subject: [agnostic-145] Open Event Scheduling
Date: Mon, 16 Jul[masked]:21:28 -0400

Good morning, everyone.  I hope you all had a great weekend!  As organizer, I have would like to encourage all members to post ideas about new events or schedule new events for the Gastonia Society for Free Thought.
 
Since I am taking a few weeks off, the schedule will be open.  There are no specific times or rules, except perhaps "Do not charge fees."   If you have an idea but have questions, please feel free to email me.
 
Best regards,
The Friendly Neighborhood Heretic




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