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Re: [hack-and-tell] proposing a change - James: I do very much enjoy your "piss off, asshole" messages to invasive jerks. And the Hacker School social rules are commonly boiled down into one golden rule: "don't be a jerk." Usually the repli David B. Apr 17, 2014 12:08 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] proposing a change - On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 9:56 PM, Sawyer Carter Jacobs < [address removed] > user 1. Apr 17, 2014 12:04 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] proposing a change - I'm one of the founders of Hacker School. We'd like to give Hack and Tell (as an organization) permission to use portions of the Hacker School manual as long as you provide attribution and a link to the manual. We <3 Hack an David A. Apr 17, 2014 12:03 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] proposing a change - Yes,  because nothing heightens discourse and instills empathy better than changing the masthead on a etiquette manual.  IMHO, outside of kindergartens, codifying civility is antithetical. I Sawyer Carter J. Apr 17, 2014 11:55 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] proposing a change - I'm more of a new lurker rather than a member of the community, but that sounds great! In fact, if we want a manual, why not just copy Hacker School's? They've put a lot of time and effort into it that we can Daniel B. Apr 17, 2014 11:20 AM
proposing a change - Hackers. There are times when I do something sort of extreme and then go into a self-reflective phase to sort out what I feel about that extreme thing.  This weekend, it was my howard stern warning to that company, whose Jms D. Apr 17, 2014 11:16 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - This discussion was about as thoughtful and informative as I expected. On Apr 16,[masked]:57 PM, "Ismael Hertz" < [address removed] > wrote: Tamreen K. Apr 16, 2014 11:55 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - The Big Data meet-ups in Denver/Boulder, CO used to have some mumble-mumble folks for contractors as Apache Accumulo came out of there and Jared Winick did a nice preso[1]. Similarly, the Strata Accumulo[2] meet-up was comical with, "Oh yes! There Clay B Apr 16, 2014 10:29 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - hah pcskills666. go get em. i'm pretty sure governments taking over and anarchy are the opposite of each other, btw. On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Ismael Hertz Jms D. Apr 16, 2014 9:20 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - I think communication , verbal that is, is a primitive form or communication. Feelings sensed by ESP are more powerful, technology in a way is affecting us all to become self-actualized and free from all the demons from the material world. Ismael H. Apr 16, 2014 8:57 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - Preview not available Wes C. Apr 16, 2014 4:42 PM
RE: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - Preview not available Binesh Apr 16, 2014 4:39 PM
RE: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - Preview not available Binesh Apr 16, 2014 4:37 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - Basically every name in CS sucks. Artificial Intelligence. Machine Learning. Even "Computer Science" itself is a terrible name (cf. Dijkstra quote, etc .) At some point we are just going to have to accept Alex C. Apr 16, 2014 4:22 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - I notice we use the word hacker for everything.  Maybe computee expert is better?  Just because someone. Knows how to dowload music doesnt mean he is a hacker On Apr 16,[masked]:55 PM, "Siraaj Khandkar" Ismael H. Apr 16, 2014 4:04 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - Eh, both terms are probably unfortunate. I don't think of "hacking" as sloppy programming or even necessarily programming at all, but as a tradition of thinking things through for yourself, rather than just blindly swallowing what you are spoon-fed. In Siraaj K. Apr 16, 2014 3:20 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - Jms D. Apr 16, 2014 3:09 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - since when did the word hacking replace software development? we only use hacking when we're truly just hacking something for the moment, otherwise it's development.  Tom Apr 16, 2014 3:00 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - As a recovering labber, let me deliver the disappointing the news - nat labs are not friendly places for hackers. There are some exceptions, like some groups at Argon, but generally, if you love programming - you'll be happier at a smaller, private org Siraaj K. Apr 16, 2014 2:54 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - Rob T. Apr 16, 2014 10:49 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - I think the Department of Energy's network of National Labs probably Diego Apr 16, 2014 10:39 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - Sometimes the best way to make change is from within. I don't mean in an Edward Snowden sort of way, but from a company culture way. Who knows, that young  programmer who take the job to learn the dark side may someday be in charge Seth M. Apr 16, 2014 10:32 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - You currently have me racking my brain to find something I disagree with my employer about. -Sumana On 04/16/[masked]:25 AM, Natalie Podrazik wrote: > Right! I can't even defend our 3-lettered agencies. But, if we only worked > where we 100% agreed Sumana H. Apr 16, 2014 10:27 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - Right! I can't even defend our 3-lettered agencies. But, if we only worked where we 100% agreed with a company's philosophies, we'd all be independent contractors, working for ourselves.   Frown on the NSA Natalie P. Apr 16, 2014 10:16 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - Wow, a world in which the National Science Foundation has the budget of the NSA. Or in which my employer, the Wikimedia Foundation, has a thousand times the budget. It is hard to imagine! (By the way, if you haven't logged into Wikipedia recently, tr Sumana H. Apr 16, 2014 10:06 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - This conversation could really become a heated debate, and so I want to remind everyone to be respectful of each other's opinions before it gets heated. :) And to side with imagination.... imagine an organization un Andrew G. Apr 16, 2014 10:02 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - I guess there are multiple ways to look at the picture.  Two of which, integrating to effect some change or having separate islands.  Both of which have downsides, in pure form do not seem exactly the best course, but as long as change is Chad W P. Apr 16, 2014 9:57 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - We can , of course. But—especially if we want the country to remain ‘free’—should we? mıke, castleman 🐍 Apr 16, 2014 9:52 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - Yeah, but it's a free country.  We can work for startups, Wall Street, defense, nobody, anybody, everybody.   On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 9:21 Natalie P. Apr 16, 2014 9:45 AM
Re: Defense Agencies at hackathons - +1. I haven't noticed intelligence and defense employers at meetups yet, myself. But I'm mostly active in NYC. In any case I've read reports that the NSA's "morale" is down and they can't hire: A. Jesse Jiryu D. Apr 16, 2014 9:21 AM
Defense Agencies at hackathons - Hackers. I guess it's that time of year where all the recruiters are out and everyone's gearing up for summer hackathons and all that jazz. Some great names are getting thrown around to he Jms D. Apr 15, 2014 1:06 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Looking for Feedback, I would like to share our new app called URTELI - How about funniest review of the app in the app store? On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 12:50 PM, James Dennis < Bob T. Apr 13, 2014 12:52 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Looking for Feedback, I would like to share our new app called URTELI - There must be a way to create wittier bug spray.  Im not that funny. You know? What if we guaranteed rsvp's to the funniest spam response? On Sunday, Apr Jms D. Apr 13, 2014 12:48 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Looking for Feedback, I would like to share our new app called URTELI - I'll be very happy when meetup decides to do duplicate message detection for spam. He hit a few other lists I was on as well. Kyle W. Apr 13, 2014 12:36 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Looking for Feedback, I would like to share our new app called URTELI - Have a nice day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mkiGMtbrPM On 04/13/[masked]:30 AM, Andrew Gwozdziewycz wrote: > I already banned the dude. He didn't see this. > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Stephen Navazio Denis P. Apr 13, 2014 12:31 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Looking for Feedback, I would like to share our new app called URTELI - I already banned the dude. He didn't see this. On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Stephen Navazio < Andrew G. Apr 13, 2014 11:30 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Looking for Feedback, I would like to share our new app called URTELI - Teli, I concur, don't use spam as a promotion method (unless you are selling spam services) it sheds a bad light on you/app/organization. Makes people think the app is spammy/will spam. Hope that Stephen N. Apr 13, 2014 11:16 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Looking for Feedback, I would like to share our new app called URTELI - It was so uninspired,  they deserved a howard stern warning On Sunday, April 13, 2014, Andrew Gwozdziewycz < [address removed] > wrote: Jms D. Apr 13, 2014 10:55 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Looking for Feedback, I would like to share our new app called URTELI - Commercial entities are not really something we support. You've been banned, because your email of " [address removed] " implies that you've joined us for all the Andrew G. Apr 13, 2014 10:50 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Looking for Feedback, I would like to share our new app called URTELI - It's also the German term for judgment, which I have already passed on this app based on the spammy email. If only I had heard about it organically I might have judged it on it's merit. So basically I already think it sucks, rightly Seth M. Apr 13, 2014 10:41 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Looking for Feedback, I would like to share our new app called URTELI - Am I right in thinking an "urteli" is that spot between a dude's  balls and their butthole? On Sunday, April 13, 2014, Teli < support@globalcode Jms D. Apr 13, 2014 10:34 AM
Looking for Feedback, I would like to share our new app called URTELI - Hi Everyone, I would like to share a new app called URTELI which I created with my team. It can be found in Apple Store and Google Play. Please provide feedback after reading Teli Apr 13, 2014 10:18 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] heartbleed & a history of exploitation - On 04/11/[masked]:20 PM, James Dennis wrote: > http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-11/nsa-said-to-have-used-heartbleed-bug-exposing-consumers.html > This is such a strange story. Much of the background info is sourced, but all the alleged news is mıke, castleman 🐍 Apr 11, 2014 4:56 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] heartbleed & a history of exploitation - On Apr 11, 2014, at 4:19 PM, James Dennis < Rob T. Apr 11, 2014 4:46 PM
heartbleed & a history of exploitation - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/­2014-04-11/nsa-said-to-have-us­ed-heartbleed-bug-exposing-con­sumers.html Jms D. Apr 11, 2014 4:16 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Round 29 wrap up - Holy fail! Sorry for the spam. On March 31,[masked]:02:58 AM EDT, Andrew Gwozdziewycz <[address removed]> wrote: Andrew G. Mar 31, 2014 8:04 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Round 29 wrap up - Did you use the template generator? A hopeful, "success! " On March 31,[masked]:36:08 AM EDT, James Dennis <[address removed]> wrote: Andrew G. Mar 31, 2014 7:59 AM
Round 29 wrap up - # Round 29: Last hurrah before we're officially old. Hello Hackers. Thank you NYU for hosting the meetup. That was our first time at NYU and the space was great. Jms D. Mar 31, 2014 1:34 AM
Round 29: Call for Presenters! - Hey All, It's our pleasure to announce the call for presenters for Round 29, which will take place March 25th at NYU, and you are cordially invited! This will be the *biggest* Hack and Tell ever, capacity wise, and with *your* help, it could be the Andrew G. Mar 13, 2014 12:56 PM
!!Con - Call For Proposals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Do you like putting emphasis on things? Yeah, me too! That's why I'm excited that some hack and tell supporters are putting on a conference!!! They're looking for speakers! So, you should probably get off your asses and submit something! Here's th Andrew G. Mar 11, 2014 11:25 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] comcast & netflix - Preview not available Roderick M. Feb 27, 2014 3:56 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - Does anybody have a sense of what percentage of your bill is the last mile service to your house (delivery fee) and what part is peering with backbone ISPs (generation fee)? Mesh networks could provide a cheap alternative Kurt S. Feb 26, 2014 11:22 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - You know what? I would be. I'd be ok paying for what I use if there was a market that could set the price. Currently it's all about bandwidth speculation. For wholesale electricity there are 3 parts to your bill. 1) Th Francis G. Feb 26, 2014 10:50 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013­/11/14/technology/personaltech­/homemade-wireless-networks-ke­ep-the-snoops-away.html Nissim K. Feb 26, 2014 10:48 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - We already do, speed you get from your ISP = bulk allocation of bytes you can transfer. If anything most people are overpaying. For example, if you just check your email then this is like buying a block of Aleksey K. Feb 26, 2014 10:41 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - I might pay for internet as a utility. I currently don't pay for internet because I'm offended at how much it costs when I can see 20 wifi networks from all my neighbors. But I do pay for gas, even though I have yet to use enough ga Quin Madison K. Feb 26, 2014 10:39 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - If the internet were considered a utility, like electricity and water, would we be okay with metering it and paying per bit transferred? On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Franci Jay G. Feb 26, 2014 10:24 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - I'll call the FCC, I would love to make internet backbones a common carrier. With telephones it allowed.. some competition, but the "baby bells" weren't actually fighting all too much, it was a cartel imho. Anyone remember Francis G. Feb 26, 2014 10:12 AM
Re: comcast & netflix - http://www.theverge.com/2014/2­/25/5431382/the-internet-is-fu­cked Thoughts? On Monday, February 24, 2014, Roderick Monje < Jms D. Feb 26, 2014 9:15 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - Yeah, I may be confusing the Ars Technica articles I read on this, but my read was that Comcast refused to upgrade their peering link with Cogent because they knew the bulk of Cogent's incoming was Netflix traffic and would dra Scott T. Feb 24, 2014 2:16 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - Likewise. After catching up on the thread, the parallels to the economics of long-distance POTS calls—and possibly even international snail mail� Roderick M. Feb 24, 2014 1:53 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - OK, here's another question: If cogent and Comcast are both tier 1 providers and their peering connection is saturated, who pays to upgrade that connection?  Is that something that is normally split 50/50 between Comc Nissim K. Feb 24, 2014 1:47 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - (now 11) On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Andrew Gwozdziewycz < [address removed] > wrote: Matt S. Feb 24, 2014 1:44 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - This was awesome.  Thank you everyone. Of course, feel free to keep asking questions if you have them.  There's no 5 minute rule on the list. :) O Jms D. Feb 24, 2014 1:20 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Bjorn Roche wrote: > On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Zachary Kanfer wrote: > >> I'm not sure I buy the "Netflix is making our internet slower, so it should pay" argument. Everythin Wes C. Feb 24, 2014 12:35 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Zachary Kanfer < Bjorn R. Feb 24, 2014 12:16 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - This is alarming, but expected. We do live in the only country I know of (based on my limited experience) where both the sender and receiver of mobile calls get charged. Their networks are similar enough to draw the conclusion that companie Seth M. Feb 24, 2014 12:14 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] comcast & netflix - There are a few factors at play with the Netflix / Comcast "deal". To generalize as much as I can, you can only directly communicate with ne Eric R. Feb 24, 2014 11:56 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:52 AM, James Dennis < [address removed] > wrote: Andrew G. Feb 24, 2014 11:54 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - But why is it bad for consumers to pick up the tab?  Aren't they the ones using all this bandwidth? On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Luis < Jms D. Feb 24, 2014 11:51 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - Cogent is scared that they will be squeezed out of the market plain and simple. Cogent actually labels their bandwidth as there own but rides on the pipes of other ISPs. Real Service Providers that actually light up build Luis Feb 24, 2014 11:33 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - i think you're paying comcast because they've got a hold of "the hose":   http://hateandanger.files.w mark p. Feb 24, 2014 11:12 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Zachary Kanfer < [address removed] > wrote: > Hack Andrew G. Feb 24, 2014 11:07 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - Regarding spotify P2P streaming, the bitrate of these songs is low enough (0.09 - 0.3 Mbps) that with a small buffer that works pretty well. Netflix streams at something like 0.5 Mbps at the low end, 8 or 9 Mbps at the high end. It's po Eric R. Feb 24, 2014 11:06 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - I'm not sure I buy the "Netflix is making our internet slower, so it should pay" argument. Everything on the internet is making it slower. Google makes the internet slower, so it should pay. Hack and Tell's websit Zachary K. Feb 24, 2014 11:01 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Re: comcast & netflix - On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:35 AM, James Dennis < [address removed] > wrote: Andrew G. Feb 24, 2014 10:56 AM
Re: comcast & netflix - We know spotify uses a modified bittorrent network to distribute the content to its desktop clients, which then act as localized caches. Last I heard,  roughly 10% of data comes from spotify's servers.  Seems like significant relief Jms D. Feb 24, 2014 10:33 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] comcast & netflix - Ben wrote about this here:  https://news.ycombinator.com/i­tem?id=7288732 From what I can tell, the problem is not due to lack of infrastructure. Becca K. Feb 24, 2014 10:25 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] comcast & netflix - " At prime time, my streams frequently slow down and experience quality reduction. "  David J. Feb 24, 2014 10:22 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] comcast & netflix - So here's some more information:  Netflix streaming used to be carried by Aakamai's CDN.  Then Netflix fired them and built their own CDN "OpenConnect:" Nissim K. Feb 24, 2014 9:51 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] comcast & netflix - My (layperson's) understanding of this is that Cogent is basically an inefficient provider - which is partly why it is so cheap. I have worked with companies that have bought a large amount of bandwidth from Cog David J. Feb 24, 2014 9:36 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] comcast & netflix - I might be reading this incorrectly as well but I will say that even though the political implications might not necessarily be easy to discern or apparent to us at the moment; this decision DOES have some level of political implication due Shaun F Feb 24, 2014 9:33 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] comcast & netflix - My understanding as to why peering is part of the discussion is that Netflix had been using Cogent, which is known for costing far less than other Skye B. Feb 24, 2014 9:30 AM
comcast & netflix - Hello Hackers. I got pretty annoyed last night when I read that Comcast had made a deal with Netflix to smooth out movie streaming.  The media appears to have painted a misinformed and drastic picture. Jms D. Feb 24, 2014 9:11 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Round 28 Wrap Up Email - Yeah, so there is no significance to the 108. Pianos have 88 keys from A0 to C8. The average human hearing range is 20hz to 20kHz and most laptop/phone speakers are very bad at low frequencies. I also wanted to go ove Grant K. Feb 13, 2014 9:30 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Round 28 Wrap Up Email - OK. ~2 hours ago, I said I'd write a program to make some audio, and thanks to Peter's audio.js...     https://gist.github.com/apg/89­71130 It take Andrew G. Feb 13, 2014 2:26 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Round 28 Wrap Up Email - gWoz, your story reminds me of an experience I had recently. I was feeling pretty hungry so I decided to cook a pizza with seamless.com .  I put onions and pineapple on it, like I always d Jms D. Feb 13, 2014 12:06 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Round 28 Wrap Up Email - But... OK. Now, I'm determined. Will write a C program that makes a random Wav file based on https://github.com/mrcoles/jav­ascript-piano/blob/master/audi­o.j Andrew G. Feb 12, 2014 11:49 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Round 28 Wrap Up Email - This problem with all of this fantastic investigation work and learning by actually trying to build something is that I have no time. The casual reading about it can be done for 40 minutes per day on the subway, but in lieu of a w Andrew G. Feb 12, 2014 11:32 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Round 28 Wrap Up Email - You can even generate the audio files byte-by-byte and turn them into data URIs that you can play with the Audio object* ;) https://github.com/mrcoles/jav­ascript-piano Peter C. Feb 12, 2014 6:55 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Round 28 Wrap Up Email - You can also figure out a lot about sound synthesis on your own, by just messing around with waveforms and listening to them. Making something where you can draw a waveform and hear it would probably only be a few dozen lines of JS, using w Harold C. Feb 12, 2014 5:04 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Round 28 Wrap Up Email - I'll chime in with a book that's somewhere deep on my 'to read' list. The Haskell School of Music combines computer music AND functional programming (and its free!). How can you say no to that? http://haskell.cs.yale.edu/eut­erpea/haskell-school-of-m Jonathan H. Feb 12, 2014 12:58 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Round 28 Wrap Up Email - On Feb 11, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Andrew Gwozdziewycz wrote: > Are there any *free* resources out there for learning this stuff? I > casually want to understand, but don't want to invest a lot of time > and energy into it. Thoughts? Rob T. Feb 12, 2014 10:14 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Round 28 Wrap Up Email - Yeah, web audio is a cool, easy way to mess with this stuff. For Bjorn R. Feb 12, 2014 9:51 AM
Re: Re: [hack-and-tell] Round 28 Wrap Up Email - Also, Web Audio API, Boris Smus Pedro H. Feb 12, 2014 5:18 AM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Round 28 Wrap Up Email - If I had the time, and a queue of things to read less than, say 100.... On February 11,[masked]:03:34 PM EST, Jay Goel <[address removed]> wrote: Andrew G. Feb 11, 2014 5:33 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Round 28 Wrap Up Email - Just a friendly reminder that some people you might be talking to have kids, and spending time and energy on something might be a more expensive ask than you realize. On Tue, Alex C. Feb 11, 2014 5:31 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Round 28 Wrap Up Email - Or you can do what good hackers do and spend time and energy to learn something new and interesting! Maybe you will have something to present at Hack and Tell as a result! O Jay G. Feb 11, 2014 5:02 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Round 28 Wrap Up Email - Boo. Oh well. I guess I'll let this come back in a few years and I'll ask again. On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Bjorn Roche < Andrew G. Feb 11, 2014 4:39 PM
Re: [hack-and-tell] Round 28 Wrap Up Email - The real info is in books, but some stuff can be found for Bjorn R. Feb 11, 2014 4:30 PM

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