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McMaster U - God: Fact or Fiction?

There is an event going on at McMaster U titled God: Fact or Fiction? hosted by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Student Association. Kitchener's SOFREE humanist org is sending their president Doug Thomas to present at it. I think it might be worth sending as much support as possible to ensure a proper showing for the non-belief side. It's April 3th 7:30 to 9:00; free but they request an rsvp. Anyone interested?

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  • Jeremy

    I think of the three the atheist/agnostic representative was the better speaker. The Christian representative didn't actually address Christianity (did he bring up Jesus or the Church even once?). The Muslim representative used facile almost laughable arguments to make his point, and while the drawn out prayer at the beginning was an interesting cross cultural experience it had little other value for anyone but Muslims. Overall I found the format had the feel of a high school presentation. As far as parking, on campus is 6$ flat rate after 4pm.

    1 · April 7, 2014

  • JIm C.

    Sorry we missed it. We had an appointment in Fonthill before that ended up making us too late to get to Hamilton. Without much discussion after the talk we would have been disappointed. We also attended the talk At the U of T the week before on :To Pray or not to Pray". Took 2 hours to get there. It started 15 minutes late and was shut down 30 minutes early. Discussion was restricted to questions only. A waste of time. Shame on CSA Toronto.

    April 7, 2014

  • Jim Y.

    Not enough audience participation.

    April 7, 2014

  • Jim Y.

    I suspect the curtailing of discussion may be planned. It is after all a religious organisation hoping to convert others.
    Not a forum for us to convert them. They are not comfortable with an informed questioning audience.
    That said we must participate in such forums to keep our worldview in the public eye.
    The atheist point might have been better put and used better examples of god as fiction, but was still better than the Christian who quoted everybody and said nothing or the Muslim who presented childlike, simplistic, analogies then claim god as a fact based on these.
    Perhaps we need to have Hamilton Niagara group provide the speaker for our side at such symposia, with a “Speak-Off” to elect our rep. or host our own symposium so we set the agenda.
    I’m sure it is set at Mac to add scientific cred. to their faith based arguments, but we could find a venue with parking is less than $15.00. (Ouch) and we don’t need a collegial venue to buff our science cred.

    April 7, 2014

  • Robert L.

    I really did not like the format. The whole thing seemed just very poorly set up. I also was very disappointed with even the atheist speaker. Why? To me atheism and agnosticism should not be interchangeable. I studied philosophy during my undergraduate years and that was one of the first things we learned. Why distance ourselves from gnostic atheists when we are all arguing for the same thing? Also isn't the burden of proof for God's existence on the person stating those beliefs?

    April 7, 2014

  • Alan d.

    The Islamic preacher almost had me converted..... Ok, maybe not. ;-)

    April 4, 2014

  • Ronald H.

    Was a bit too much religion for me, but what to expect when the host was a religious organization. I did appreciate that the non religious aspect was allowed a voice and in my opinion that voice reflected the atheist position well. The format would have been better if it had been an actual debate. It really was just 3 opening statements, with Islamic messages in between, and in the Q&A one comment and one question. Still a worthwhile evening as this was my first meeting hosted by an Islamic group. It was interesting, to see the differences and similarities with Christianity.

    2 · April 4, 2014

  • Spencer L.

    Great format! Would have liked more time for Q&A

    April 4, 2014

  • Alan d.

    It's in the hospital at the very back. Possibly considered the basement depending on which side your coming from

    April 3, 2014

  • Alan d.

    I'm here now. I'm sitting on my brown truck on the parking lot right at the corner o the lot. I'll be inside maybe around 7:15. Wearing black with a yellow crest on jacket front

    April 3, 2014

  • Jim Y.

    Thanks for the RSVP info and link, all signed up looking forward to seeing you all again. Been a long winter. Is it OK to blame God?

    March 31, 2014

  • Alan d.

    Hey guys. Yes, this facility is at the BACK of the hospital. There's a brand new entrance there will tall glass doors and windows. Best to park on campus and walk. Handicap parking is likely closer INSIDE the hospital underground parking but there is a likely higher premium to park there. I don't know the costs. There really isn't better outdoor parking except for the Sterling street parking on the right as you come in (unless they'll allow you to park behind the divinity college which is slightly closer but I think is reserved for staff only. (tell them you're the visiting atheist chaplin ;-)

    It's not really as far as it seems but that would be dependant on your abilities and april showers.

    Jimmy boy ;-) you need to RSVP to the people running the event which isn't us. click on Jeremy's link and shoot them a RSVP. I hope to meet you all and hopefully we can sit as a group.

    March 31, 2014

  • Jeremy

    RSVP online at: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/12hf-8Tz2vEb_1oUUPhAxmKTmwvbqHd2PLW5jfxXEiRg/viewform
    Or see Rene's post below for other options.

    March 31, 2014

  • Jim Y.

    I'm assuming that by RSVPing here that is all that is required or do I have to RSVP to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Student Association?

    March 31, 2014

  • Peter C.

    It looks like a considerable walk from the parking to the Ewart Angus bldg; am i wrong? I have a handicapped parking plate; would that help any?

    March 29, 2014

  • Jeremy

    Long distance directions here: http://fhs.mcmaster.ca/main/map_hsc.html

    I've updated the map above to show the approx. location of the class. It's in the Ewart Angus Centre ("purple" section) of HSC. Just zoom in on the map to see the contours of the building or use street view to see the actual entrance of the building (south of the marker location).

    March 29, 2014

  • Jeremy

    Look for building number 37. http://www.mcmaster.ca/welcome/images/campus_map.pdf
    Parking on campus is not free. See parking map and rates for details. http://parking.mcmaster.ca/rates.html
    You can also find free parking off campus but you should plan to arrive early to account for the walk time.

    March 29, 2014

  • Spencer L.

    Is parking obvious? Is it free?

    March 29, 2014

  • Rene C.

    Here is a link to tis event:
    https://www.msumcmaster.ca/calendar/1370-god-fact-or-fiction-2014-04

    If you need directions to McMaster University, please google it (and print yourself a google map) – does that cover you?

    March 29, 2014

  • Peter C.

    Dirctions please?

    March 29, 2014

  • Alan d.

    Is this the same group who organized that event in the high school (Glendale I think) where Justin Trottier was one of the panelist last winter? That one was organized by the Muslim community also. I RSVP'd via the BIT.LY link thanks

    I hope to find you when I get there.

    March 25, 2014

  • Rene C.

    I RSVP'ed on facebook, but the options are:
    BIT.LY/REGISTERAMSA
    Facebook.com/AMSAMcMaster
    Twitter.com/AMSAMcMaster
    [masked]

    March 24, 2014

  • Douglas T.

    Does anyone know what happened to Wendell Waters or Derek Waters? They were members of Hamilton group 20 years ago. Wendell was professor of psychiatry at McMaster & authored a few humanist books after he retired. Any information would be helpful!..........Doug or [masked]

    March 24, 2014

  • Douglas T.

    I will try!!

    March 24, 2014

  • Ali

    Where, how do you rsvp them?

    March 23, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    Please keep in mind that you have to RSVP, doesn't look like you can just show up.

    March 23, 2014

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