Re: [houston-php] What are good Houston PHP salaries?

From: Will B.
Sent on: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 12:52 PM
If you we are adding topics then:

1. Engineering Economics (or any Non-Keynesian Economic methods) ;
2. Software Engineering;

And any of these disciplines can be self-taught; further if you teach yourself there is no-ceiling to how far you can go.
 


On 10/19/10 12:39 PM, Eric Shafer wrote:
I like Will's list of requirements:
  • Principles of Computer Science (basic programming);
  • Data Structures;
  • Computer Science Theory (state machines etc.)
  • Algorithm Analysis
  • (Logic or Discrete Math)
I'd add to that Databases and Object Oriented Development.  And I certainly agree that if you have those things, moving from tech to tech is pretty straight forward, though becoming really effective with a particular framework can take months even for a very experienced developer.  (For example, try moving from Hibernate in Java to building a persistence engine in .Net)

But, consider that a lot of "developers" won't have those basics.  Maybe only a introduction or they come from a less rigorous background.  For example, when I was at Shell, there were a number of developers who weren't strong on data structures and recursion.  They did a fine job of modifying the home brewed app we had, but chaos would ensue with even the slightest changes in technology (migrating to .net from VB6 for example.).

Regards,
Eric
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On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Will Beazley <[address removed]> wrote:
After 15 years this IT stuff, there is certain point you reach that you can migrate to new platform with minimal training. (minimal training in my mind is only learning the nuances particular to the new language or platform)

How long would it take an unemployed Java developer to be able to write .Net?

A PERL scripter can make worthwhile PHP in just day(s).

As long as you have the core:
Principles of Computer Science (basic programming);
Data Structures;
Computer Science Theory (state machines etc.)
Algorithm Analysis
(Logic or Discrete Math)

If you are really strong in at least one language or platform there isn't a whole that you cannot learn.

By the third language you are just learning syntax, seeing everything as being analogous.

All that said, there shall always remain things that are very hard and because they are exclusive and you cannot migrate with the reuse of past skills. If you know Java or .Net you are not easily going to be able to write firmware or know how to write for TinyOS(wireless sensor devices) in NesC because the fundamentals don't have all the abstractions that Java and .Net folks are used to.

Just my humble opinions.

On 10/19/10 11:41 AM, Eric Shafer wrote:
One thought I had when reading Will's reply is that I am not sure I agree that IT staff can easily jump from tech to tech, and certainly I don't think the impression from the people doing the hiring is that.  Take a look at just content managements systems, for example.  If I know a really good Joomla developer, I can't necessarily get her to deliver on a Drupal project without a fair amount of retraining.  I know that is not a long term view, but I think IT hiring is more about right now skills than the potential to develop good developers.

Also, I think there is a lot more Microsoft (.Net, SharePoint and even old fashion ASP and VB) because Houston is so heavy on Oil companies.  For the enterprise, unless you are constantly updating a public facing website, I don't get the feeling companies have moved over to PHP.  They just keep updating existing apps.

Anyone have experience with Houston vs Dallas on salaries for .Net developers and Project Managers they want to share?

Regards,
Eric
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Click and Create
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twitter: @webyadayada
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Houston, TX 77057



On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Will Beazley <[address removed]> wrote:
I can't speak for PHP, but UNIX/Solaris/Linux are ~20K higher in Ft. Worth than Houston.

Wages, in the absence of price controls, are reflection of what the market will bear.

My suspicions include:
1.a. Greater Pool of folks in Houston for niche market by virtue of a Larger City (less scarcity/greater supply);
1.b. The importation of Brits and other foreign Labor by Petro Sector companies (less scarcity/greater supply);
2. Fewer (Banking, etc) Data Centers in Houston? (Less Demand);

Since there are so many refineries along the Energy Corridor (Louisiana; Beaumont; Katy) there also greater supply.

Replace Data Centers with development. 

Because of the proclivity of IT folks to jump among IT skills you could presume that Shell Scripter may do PERL, may do PHP, may do Java, may do C#, may do Qt/C++, may do .Net;
Otherwise said, Flexible IT can drive down wages beyond their numbers because they can do so many things.




On 10/16/10 11:41 PM, Ted Smith wrote:
Hi all,
 
I grew up in Houston, but I have traveled the country for my career.
 
I'm a 12 year PHP guru, working for clients ranging from top ecommerce Fortune 50 to the Marines to the Executive branch of the federal government.  I've worked in California, Texas, DC, and Chicago, but I cannot find a decent paying  job in Houston since I left there a few years ago.
 
I was just offered a job as a senior team lead for a major corporation in Houston, but the salary was "fixed" at $85,000.  That's still the most I've ever seen in Houston, but just 300 miles north, in Dallas, I'm making a solid $100,000 w/ $20,000 bonus, for a non-lead position, and there are several such paying jobs available.
 
So what is the prevailing wage around there for upper-1% PHP devs?  I'd say $70-85,000.  Why do you stay?
 
Ted
 
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