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RE: [humanism-166] New Event: What a Difference a Year Makes!: An Update from Your Lobbyist in Washi

From: Steve S.
Sent on: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:08 PM
Hey Eric,

My view is that there are plenty of "secular" charities like the Red Cross, Doctors without Borders, etc. to fulfill the need for basic human compassion and care that many non-believers can (and do) participate in.

Humanist groups are not (and should not) be considered "charity" (by default) and so you will find that there is a large effort within such groups to be political and expressive toward humanistic ideals generally.

You will find that non-theists, Humanists, atheists, agnostics and other "non-believers" in the current Big Three religions will dedicate themselves under such labels to address the larger socio-political problems that religions cause when adherents attempt to mix "church, mosque, synogogue" with human governance.

Another facet is to actually abide by humanistic ideals on a daily basis and diligently care for others and participate in philanthropic events that can be found anywhere in a community and/or initiate with friends and family.  One simply does not need to "incorporate" as a group to engage in such activities or even advertise them as a sole/primary purpose.

In my view, promoting the Separation of Church and State and other civil rights issues is exactly what non-believers should concentrate on in a very proactive way.

If you are a fan of some of Jesus' purported actions against the patriarchal authority of his times you may even find some motivation to join the grassroots efforts found within such activities. 

You certainly don't have to believe he was a God commanding such compliance to recognize our culpability to take care of the human family (without hells, spells or bells).

Please understand that non-believers share in only one stated aspect regarding religion and each individual may have any one of number of opinions/views that others may not agree with.  Needless to say, that is why it often appears that this subculture appears fixed on only one aspect of humanistic ideals when nothing could be further from the truth.

We are already your doctors, nurses, firefighters, police officers, soldiers, teachers, daycare providers, etc. as Humanists and as atheists...who need to have our voices heard in the public/political forum.

Take care and I hope this have provided some insight for you!

Steve






From: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [humanism-166] New Event: What a Difference a Year Makes!: An Update from Your Lobbyist in Washington
To: [address removed]
Date: Mon, 28 Jan[masked]:59:21 -0500

Yes, I know this is a mass emailing, but I'm just looking for some conversation on what exactly the "nontheist" platform/agenda is.  I've over the past year moved away from Christanity because after some personal experiences, I couldn't put "faith" in Christianity as a superior belief system.  

I since have looked for an active agnostic community in Minnesota, and Humanists of Minnesota seemed to qualify.  However, I've been disappointed that all Humanists discussions have revolved around anti-religious pretenses.  In this email I see the "nontheist" is trying to gain exposure at the federal level which isn't necessary anti-religious, but I'm failing to find the good for humanity in that.  

I didn't become agnostic (possibly humanist or whatever label) to get on the other side of a religion debate into the validity of Jesus or anything like that.  From my upbringing, Jesus, even if fictional, is an inspiration figure, just like Jean Valjean or Gandhi.  By disproving the existence of Jesus, are Humanists suggesting his teachings of love and forgiveness should also be marginalized?  

One of my biggest problems with the church was with the lack of focus on serving one another.  Is there no collective agnostic focus on community and world service?  If so, could someone please help me find it?  I want to get involved with fellow (non-)believers! 

Thank you for your time.

Eric


On Jan 27, 2008, at 6:15 PM, Nathan Curland wrote:

Announcing a new event for Humanists of Minnesota!

What: What a Difference a Year Makes!: An Update from Your Lobbyist in Washington

When: Saturday, February 23, 10:00 AM

Where: Click the link below to find out!

Event Description: Lori Lipman Brown returns to update us on how the past 12 months have catapulted nontheists into an even more prestigious position among members of Congress, theistic allies, and the public. From announcing the first "out" nontheist member of Congress to joining the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the Secular Coalition for America is taking the mission to increase nontheist visibility and respectability to the next level.  Lori will also update us on the hottest church-state topics in Congress in 2008, and tell us how we can take action.
Lori will be interviewed twice on Atheists Talk radio while she is here?on Feb. 17 by Minnesota Atheists and on Feb. 24 by Scott Lohman, Humanists of Minnesota president. Tune in to Atheists Talk on Sunday mornings, 9-10 a.m., AM 950 KTNF, or stream live at AirAmericaMinnesota.com.

Learn more here:
http://humanism.meetup.com/166/calendar/7208497/




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