Re: [ronpaul-90] Dump Starbucks - Why dump Starbucks?

From: Kerry B.
Sent on: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:04 PM
Weren't people going to starbucks in droves about a year ago to show support for them because they supported gun rights? I remember going and I still have the cup!
 

From: Cal <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26,[masked]:45 PM
Subject: RE: [ronpaul-90] Dump Starbucks - Why dump Starbucks?

I see you are unable to answer the simple question.
 
W
 
From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Melissa Burger
Sent: Tuesday, March 26,[masked]:45 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [ronpaul-90] Dump Starbucks - Why dump Starbucks?
 
as long as you acknowledge this means you are ok with increasing government
 
Melissa
 
In a message dated 3/26/2013 1:43:40 P.M. US Eastern Daylight Time, [address removed] writes:
Melissa –
 
So let me ask you this…
 
Will you choose….
 
A>    To provide rights to Gays and Lesbians to marry now because it is their GOD given Inalienable Right (and fight the government in marriage issue until it is resolved)
Or
B>    Deny them the right now because it will increase government (and tell them to wait until you can get the government out of marriage)
 
Seems to me that the answer for Liberty is clear.
 
For me – the rights of any individual trumps making  them wait for the government to get out of the issue of marriage.

W



From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Melissa Burger
Sent: Tuesday, March 26,[masked]:39 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [ronpaul-90] Dump Starbucks - Why dump Starbucks?
 
Yes this is why the liberty movement has flaws..1st rule...Limited government..you can slice it and dice it all you want with a nice long speech but it still does not change the fact..if you allow more people in the governments jurisdiction of marriage it will increase government...I am not sure why you think I am on the wrong fight...see rule 1.. I am on a consistent fight to decrease government and this will not do it.. I don't care if 3 people want to get married if they can find a church to do it...but the only time the government should be in play is when those 3 people wrote a contract and then there is a dispute...so I think if you are for limited government you have to be FOR getting government out of marriage...I do understand liberty and this fight will increase government not liberty
 
Melissa
 
In a message dated 3/26/2013 1:33:34 P.M. US Eastern Daylight Time, [address removed] writes:
Melissa –
 
Please, forms are updated regularly without the marriage issue. Shoot Tax forms, medical forms, and everything. It is not like they never update these forms.  Sure, clerks have to records them.  Where else will you records a legally binding contract.  Civil contracts are recorded all the time. 
 
Lawyers have nothing to do with increased government. They come into play when there is conflict in the civil contract of marriage. The government does not send them in.
 
Laws are to protect the minority, the individual, to bring uniform justice when there is wrong.  So a few laws need adjusting. Big whoop. They are needed for this issue anyway.
 
I think your battle is on the wrong issue here.  As people of Liberty, we should champion this right for people.  To say no, or the sake of trying to keep government reduced would be the same as saying women should not vote because of all the increased government costs and work to record those vote, or to say that African Americans can’t have access to education because it will cost the education system more and increase state/local government.  
 
First and foremost, we should herald the liberties of all, and stand with them when liberties are denied.
 
If you are really about making less government intrusion – go change the Tax system into consumption tax. No forms to report, no need for that unproductive system, no need for people to report anything to the government – just everyone pays the same when they buy things.  That would really reduce government.
 
Want to stop increases in government? Demand where those millions and millions of rounds of ammo are going and what they are for. They recently purchased enough to kill the over 330 million Americans 10 times over. Why do they need so much?  Why are they spending your money on that many?  What about all the work to store and keep track of them?
 
No, instead lets tell people who have a different sexual orientation from the majority that, so sorry – it’s your theoretical right, but because there may be some government increase (minuscule compared to real issues) they cannot have their GOD Given Inalienable Right.
 
This is why the Liberty Movements are viewed as a joke by everyone.  We have it backwards too many times. If we understood Natural Law, we would approach things differently.
 
Cal
From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Melissa Burger
Sent: Tuesday, March 26,[masked]:20 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [ronpaul-90] Dump Starbucks - Why dump Starbucks?
 
Sure it does..more clerks to file for these marriage..more court officers to do the all the paperwork...more lawyers to fight for divorce..more laws to protect whoever they think they are protecting..redoing entire forms to change from man and woman to person A and person b..I do not care if you are ok with this but do not suggest that it will not increase government..so you must decide is it more important that you feel people get equal treatment AND increase government OR decrease government and still everyone gets equal treatment by having government out of marriage business...
 
Melissa
 
In a message dated 3/26/2013 1:16:35 P.M. US Eastern Daylight Time, [address removed] writes:
This IS an issue for the Supreme Court.  All Citizens of the United States are afforded Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
 
Because people who live alternate lifestyles are restricted from the same liberties and rights afforded in traditional marriage, this is their venue to fight those bans.  They are afforded the same rights as everyone else, as their marriage does NOT infringe on the liberty of others.
 
Just because they hopefully are granted equal status and liberty, does NOT mean increased government. 
 
Cal
 
From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Melissa Burger
Sent: Tuesday, March 26,[masked]:12 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [ronpaul-90] Dump Starbucks - Why dump Starbucks?
 
We are fighting the wrong fight..My first is always to try and fight for limited government...and this fight no matter what increases government...so lets fight to get government out of marriage..I am still looking for the article and section number that even allows them to get in this issue..but not finding it...if they legalize gay marriage then it will very much increase the size and role of government and I will not support that..I don't care what starbucks does..way to expense anyway..I buy my coffee for 2 bucks and make it home lasts a few weeks and still very good.
 
Melissa
 
In a message dated 3/26/2013 1:01:08 P.M. US Eastern Daylight Time, [address removed] writes:
"Liberty means to exercise human rights in any manner a person chooses so long as it does not interfere with the exercise of the rights of others."  -- Ron Paul
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Rebecca Sink-Burris <[address removed]> wrote:
No thanks. While I don't particularly care wht we call it civil union or marriage, under the law all people must be treated equally.
Rebecca
 
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