Why? Why? Singapore.....

  • July 21, 2013 · 3:30 PM

It would be a kind of brain storming session..will pick up some points which Non-Singaporeans could think of why? why?...Why so about Singapore? compliments or complaints...just a casual session...
This session is purely for Non-Singaporeans...I have to say in advance I will decline Singaporeans RSVP.

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  • Hasumi

    Great time & exciting sharing!

    2 · July 22, 2013

    • Jerry Y.

      Wish I could have attended. I wasn't feeling Well and woke up at 4+ pm @@

      July 22, 2013

    • Carol O.

      Indeed a great sharing session and it was so much fun. It had been a pleasure to meet you Hasumi.

      July 22, 2013

  • Huang Hsyen L.

    Just wondering, is the venue confirmed?
    May be dropping by if nearby.

    July 21, 2013

  • Aleem

    Hi all really sad to read over all the misunderstanding issues that happens here, I really hope people and participant of this and other group to be more open minded towards all the circumstances and some sensitive issues..
    Reason of being here also, I would take this opportunity to say sorry cause guess I am always busy to gather with this group, this is because working and teaching in a music school, Saturday and Sunday is my most busiest day, hope I will have time to join this awesome group in the future..
    Till then, here wishing all the very best of health and luck to all in this awesome group...
    Aleems

    July 20, 2013

  • evechoco

    This event should not prevent any nationalities to join. All should be welcome to give feedback. Having such event will cause alot of misunderstanding even though the organizer might not have ill intentions.

    July 18, 2013

    • Hasumi

      this is an exclusive event for foreigners. why are singaporeans so hardup to be everywhere. there shd be a place for foreigners to gather in a foreign land & talk abt issues that concerns them. local feedback are not necessary. to locals, SG is home. i don't see why there shd be misunderstandings. they are results of selfish mindsets. If you think that foreign meetups are not part of Japanese culture, please, take a look at some Japanese portals or magazines. They often hv gathering events for their own prefecture people. Don't you know?? so to say foreign events for foreigners is not part of Japanese culture shows how "knowledgeable"­ some folks are! Open up & stop being so conservative!

      2 · July 18, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    This is no my objective of joining a Jap meetup group,where every member should feel welcome & happy to meet, interact & learn from each other cross culturely. Respect is vis-a-vis, this Jap meetup has degenerated into nothing more than a sham, & bid my farewell before receiving further crap.

    July 15, 2013

    • Hasumi

      Dear Yvonne, Thankyou for your comments. I would just say that this event is uniquely for foreigners. A different platform. It is definitely not a regular event, probably a one-off. So just let it be. Can't we hv something different? And i wl be there to make sure the event wl be held in respect for Singaporeans & Singapore. Peace ok?

      July 18, 2013

    • Hasumi

      For me if foreigners in our group wish to hv a meetup of their own, & esp Japanese do hv a culture of having such gatherings, i feel that it is fine.

      July 18, 2013

  • Hasumi

    Even if Shingo replies, those who have negative opinion of this meetup & him wl not change your thoughts. Stop being too judgemental. i am sure many of you who has met Shingo wl agree he is a nice guy & he is not out to create trouble. Japanese meetup has held many meetups, & this is one exception of exclusiveness. I trust that Shingo the organiser for this event has his purpose w no ill intentions. And i wl be there too. Although i am Malaysian by nationality, i hv been born, fed, raised here. Stop jumping to conclusion with full of negative views. Be gracious & think positive. Be open-minded too. When i was in HK last Dec, i attended a Japanese meetup where only a few Japanese, Caucasians and myself attended & we talked on HK local issues too. Nothing bad turn out of it. we hv both positive & negative feedback but all of us love HK anyway. Foreigners want space at times. to be w foreigners & share in their own platform. So let them hv such freedom. when you are in a foreign land, this w

    1 · July 18, 2013

    • Hasumi

      That group in HK i attended altho didn't use the word "ban", but when i asked if i could hv a HK fren to attend with me, they declined & said the group is only made up of foreigners. Organiser also Japanese. FYI, the one in HK is a regular meetup ok. And here we are just hvg it once.

      July 18, 2013

    • Hasumi

      also, Shingo has held another meetup months back, which is a trip to Bukit Brown Cemetry. That one he didn't put any ban for Singaporeans, bur guess wat, no Singaporeans turned up. and we didn't hv a political conversation. so i can say every event has it's purpose.

      July 18, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    so in another words, Singapore people will resort to violence, or verbal abuse. I got it bad from Singapore people too, I'm not gonna defame the whole entire island, but from what I observe, it is quite undesirable to a huge extent. Despite all discrimination I faced, my life in Japan was great, I felt more appreciated there than here in Singapore. Singapore and Japan share that collectivistic culture, you basically being judges on what group you belong too, lone wolves are viewed as outcasts. What's the moral of the story, why don't we all just get along? Like what MC Jim wrote on his song" we may look different but we see the same sky" Every culture is beautiful.

    1 · July 15, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Lets face it, humans are ethnocentric by nature. I lived in Japan for a quite some time, please don't interrogate me about my length of stay, I live there long enough to know the bits and pieces. Japanese folks took ethnocentrism to a whole other level, I mean they really think they are culturally superior to other asian cultures. Singapore people are pretty much the same as well, the only difference is that Singapore people are more hostile, like "this is Singapore, not (whatever country)"

    1 · July 15, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Oh gosh, I smell a soap opera unfolding.

    July 15, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Oh gosh, I smell a soap opera unfolding.

    July 15, 2013

  • Darwin Z.

    Maybe i COSPLAY pink panther go there?

    July 14, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Haha.......

      July 15, 2013

    • Jerry Y.

      Lol, I'll cosplay as anything if I go there xD

      July 15, 2013

  • Darwin Z.

    Singaporean all so negative about singapore. All feels like migrate. What's so secret that singaporean can't join one?

    July 14, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Like I say based on the description put up for this event is controversial & being a public social platform, you will invite questioning especially from S'poreans. I do not know Singo, but based on his descriptions of the event it is not only descriminatory but contains the elements of "gossip" & this is the reason the definition was given, & add on to San's bad encounter experience with Shingo, the organizer not taking the responsibility & camaraderie to clear the air does not help, leaving everyone & his defenders giving their perceptions of how it would run except the organizer himself. There are others who commented it would be not "superficial" but constructive, & that requires controlled setting, with OB Markers, Moderator, Objectives, etc can’t be a total laisse fare?! With this I shall conclude, too exhausted to keep going ……I like to work on the assumption we are no fools to read on each merit.

    July 5, 2013

    • Jerry Y.

      With respect, Brett, I don't think you're being fair to San, Janet and others when they are merely expressing their concerns (albeit in a less desirable tone).
      It is kinda harsh to say that they would definitely feel disgusted of your presence, but of course I cannot guarantee that they will not feel disgusted.
      Then again, isn't it common that some people would feel prejudiced against, no matter how objective or benevolent the true intentions maybe?
      And even if you turned up at any meetup (not just the Japanese meet-up), you can kinda bet that someone would be thinking "oh wow, a British man!"

      I urge that you do not feel displeased with this, and not take this to heart. At least I would welcome you during the meet-ups, and probs scowl at any who start to behave rudely against you (you know I'm the type of person who won't stay silent, based on all my posts so far). Granted, not everyone will be your friend. But someone will.

      July 14, 2013

  • Wendy Wei 温.

    I only met Shingo san twice. First time was in this meetup in Liang Court only a couple of months after I moved here. I raised a question that why Singaporean, or people live in Singapore fart so much, because every day in crowded trains I smell something unusual. To tell the truth, I fart more than I was in China, but my diet hasn't been changed too much. Finallly, I reached the conclusion that because it is too hot here, food gets fermented easily in stomch. Everybody laughed. This is a good example how we talk about the new country we settled down.

    1 · July 2, 2013

    • Wendy Wei 温.

      I agree with you, but I do found many young ladies has 20-year face but 60-year hands, which is rare in China. I don't know how are other countries.

      July 4, 2013

    • Jerry Y.

      Hahahaha, 6) exposure to strong chemicals on the hands, for e.g. some unsuitable hand cream/soap etc.

      July 5, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    San, I will be interested,I have met some Jap who have some customs I find it perplexed too eg. When sitting around a table for meal eating & chatting, we noticed a Jap gal busy eating with face down looking at her bowl all the time & not looking up & chatting, the guests were all puzzled & asked her if she is ok, & she subsquently shared with us a funny anecdote that Jap if eating with their enemies would choose to eat crab so they could have their face down at the crab, busy focusing & eating & need not look up to chat, & all us went "huh?", we didn't know that...........

    July 3, 2013

  • Wendy Wei 温.

    interesting, hope to join you but I have to work on that day. Singaporean, please don't be enraged because it is just cultural comparison. I, being Chinese from China, won't, although Chinese and singaporean Chinese share a lot in common.

    July 1, 2013

    • Hasumi

      San, i think this is too far stretched. i see nothing wrong in Lydia's comments too, and you threatened her. Throughout my 10yrs as organiser, i hv only removed 2-3 persons as they harassed my members, really misbehave or caused lots of problems / irresponsible as meetup organiser. Pls do not abuse your authority as organiser. i appreciate your help and effort, but you really ought to cool down, too.

      July 2, 2013

    • Jerry Y.

      To Brett, I think Lydia was just being honest.
      Objectively speaking, I think her remarks weren't sarcastic. There's no reason to take them as sarcastic.
      San, let's stop this discussion that might "add oil to the fire". Your point is obvious, but we have our different views and opinions on it. Let's leave it at that.

      July 3, 2013

  • Kenta K.

    I was initially expecting some sort of an argument but I didn't think it would escalate to something of this caliber. On one hand, people may take it as "outsiders" bitching about the country that we live and take it as an occasion to vent such stress. If that's what people think from a superficial level from the amount of things that he said... okay then, that's your perspective. As of now, I don't know you guys that well so that's all I can put on the table. Regardless of such comments, I will still present my argument... the bad and the good. And I will see what happens. I already have debated on similar matters with my friends in camp, school etc. but it's always interesting to hear new things. That is something that I believe Shingo would like to hear and that is the side I will take.

    July 3, 2013

    • Jerry Y.

      Frankly, I think there is no harm in holding that event. Go ahead, San and Kenta.

      1 · July 3, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I was really enjoying the discourse not "rage" or "enrage" as some put it far too serious or amplified, there is a saying if you can't take the responsibility & heat......don't get into the kitchen.....lol

    July 2, 2013

    • Jerry Y.

      haha, for now, I think the definition of "rage" or "gossip" really isn't relevant now.
      I take Brett's kind pointer that any further adding oil to this discourse (or rage or whatever you call it) should be stopped to prevent any further damage. Maybe a different forum for the discussion of this sort would be better.

      July 3, 2013

  • nicolas

    hi

    July 2, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Wendy Wei,by putting up a controversial forum & barring the members from whose country is talked about in "brain storming", "casual session", "compliments or complaints" & not feeling any embrassement of regret the upleasantness it creates here, does it make him a virtue? Not to me......this is the reason I say is unwise & offensive. We are "all children of our environment", we learn from each other, I merely hightlight for explanation of what Shingo posts & seek his clarification , & not laughing at his English.
    Jerry Yong,"how one sided your view points are", which brought me to ask on the above forum whose view points? Anyone, but the country whose nationals we are talking about with no clarification & defense requires ......lol

    July 2, 2013

  • Wendy Wei 温.

    I bet Shingo san will not defend himself here. I still remember Wenyan argued with a non-Singaporean on how to study a foreign language, which finally escalated to personal insult. Finally, an advice for Wenyan. When you tell Shingo to do as Romans do, have you ever considering doing so when associating with Japanese as you are learning Japanese language and culture.

    July 2, 2013

    • wy

      1) I did not tell Shingo anything. I was referring to foreigners who hate Singapore and saying they should leave if they hate this place. What good is there in making yourself stay in a place you don't like?
      2) I quoted a Japanese saying so that we can learn more together. The full saying is "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." It is not correct to ignore the first half of the saying. 「郷に入れば」is obviously referring to Singapore as this is our present location. I followed the Japanese customs when I lived there, it's only polite and nice to do so.

      1 · July 2, 2013

    • wy

      3) I don't know why you have to keep commenting and what point you are trying to drive across, but you force me to have to defend myself. I personally still believe that I have not said anything offensive. I don't do personal insults, only pointing out actions that I disagree with and suggest improvements, but I can't stop people from hurling insults at me when I say something that might be less palatable to them.
      4) I also happen to be interested in languages and like to clarify when things seem to get misinterpreted, but if you think that is being nasty or something, I will live with the consequences of my actions and viewpoints.

      1 · July 2, 2013

  • wy

    Hi Janet/San, chill. I really suggest we stop commenting on this. We have done our fair share of warning. I have asked before for all sides to stop commenting but the other side wants to keep arguing, when most likely Shingo doesn't even feel the need to defend himself. We must remember that most people here have never heard the unpleasant stuff said before and some have no pride in being Singaporean. We have to trust Hasumi in mitigating any problems that might or might not occur, and meanwhile, organize and participate in more events that are more inclusive and agreeable to us =)

    July 2, 2013

  • Wendy Wei 温.

    I, being a Chinese from China, admit Chinese like arguing with others. Japanese tends to listen to others first and never say no directly. I think it is one of the good characteristics of the nation. Why can't we be calmed down and exchange ideas in depth?

    July 2, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Jerry Young, Oxford Advanced Learners Dictionary : "Informal talk or stories about other people's private lives, that may be unkind or not true." Longman Dictionary : "Talk about the details of other people's actions & private lives, which may not be correct or proper." I am sure I can come up with more Dictionary Definition but it will probably mean more less the same point is driving which I never take from a source as definitive without cross-referencing to others for validity. You mentioned "rage", rage is a very strong adjective, it means a violent anger which threatens another individual safety or security, has anyone felt that way but what I have said? You either have exagerrated or chose a bad choice of word, you are no convinced...want to check Oxford Dictionary.....lol......Nope, I will be wise & not offensive to choose such a forum to discuss it, just as I would not choose " Why so about Japan" & barred my Japanese friends from attending........

    July 2, 2013

    • Jerry Y.

      And I agree with you, this forum is not meant for such unpleasant talk. I'm am annoyed with the fact that this train of talk started in this forum in the first place. (Again note, I didn't started it)

      July 2, 2013

    • Wendy Wei 温.

      This is one of the differences that Japanese distinguish them from others--well-educated Japanese never say others are wrong. They always listen to others and then say that you makes some sense there but... I don't like people arguing away from the topic, such as Shingo san's Japanese English and true meaning of gossip in dictionary. Shingo san is Japanese, so he speaks Japanese English and I am Chinese, so I speak Chinglish just like you speak Singlish, which is nothing to be laughed at. I found in so many forums people are laughing at others' English level. Should I laugh at Singaporean's Chinese level? In this world, speaking good English is not a standard to judge a person. To this extent, I think Singaporean is trying too much to align with western countries.

      1 · July 2, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Meant Jerry Yong

    July 2, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Definition of Gossip : "Casual or unconstrained conversation or reports about other people, typically involving details that are not confirmed as being true." How could it be constructive & not arouse suspicious, & create disharmony in such a forum with topic about 'Why so about S'pore' but no Singaporeans attendance?!? Pehaps, we should go back to the basic & ask ourselves what was the objective of setting this Jap Meetup Group?!?

    July 1, 2013

    • Jerry Y.

      Sigh I got constantly spammed on my notifications. If the language did evolve.so drastically between 2013 April (the edition I read was one which I borrowed from the library since I was studying for my JLPT test this weekend) and now, then I would have nothing to add. but I reserve my remark that to say that it's typically untrue remarks is really unnecessary addition. In any case it's "typically ", and not to mention that Shingo did not talk about gossiping. It was you girls who said it.

      July 1, 2013

    • wy

      Ok believe what you want. I have already gotten Hasumi the main organizer (who by the way started this group and pays monthly to keep it going) in the picture, in an attempt to keep this event going. Jerry's and your flood of comments is only making it harder to keep it going, which was why I suggested that everyone stop commenting. Argh! This is my absolute last comment here. Good luck and have fun!

      July 1, 2013

  • Hasumi

    As you know, i'm non Singaporean! Yay!

    July 1, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I have to agree with Wenyan & San, this is to illustrate their point made. I remember last year my friend invited a Japanese friend for an outing & after we went for our meal. I can't remember what he ordered & was served with spoon & fork .He commented SG eats with spoon & fork, & I did not have a chance to explain to him. SG being made up of Asians do eat rice from a plate, & therefore it makes more sense & practicality to scoop the rice & dishes with fork & spoon & eat it mouthful vs fork & knife eating like eg. steak etc. I have seen some westerners scooping rice with fork & you see them struggling with a few grains on their fork before putting into their mouth, & you do wish common sense prevails but of course I understand is a matter of culture & habit. Seek to understand & be understood.

    July 1, 2013

  • Kai-Sheng H.

    Most likely flying off for work once more.

    July 1, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    "Why so about Singapore?" Your English doesn't make sense......

    July 1, 2013

  • Kenta K.

    I am a Japanese as well... although I'm born here and lived here all my life. I guess that is another perspective and mine is in a sense uncommon as well.

    1 · June 30, 2013

  • Jerry Y.

    what about Singaporeans, but I have not stayed in Singapore for 95% of my life, lived in overseas for most of my life?

    June 30, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I will limit the participants at most 10 to 15..

    June 30, 2013

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