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World Humanist Day Picnic is Today Sunday, 6/22 - starting 11 a.m. - Apologies if you get this twice... I am e-mailing it to all groups in Kansas City and whoever esle I can think of. Reminder that our annual picnic is this TodaySunday. Hope you ca Kansas City S. Jun 22, 2008 7:45 AM
Tomorrow, Sunday June 15th, 1 p.m. - Biosemiotics from Peirce to Rosen - Biosemiotics from Peirce to Rosen By Eliseo Fernandez, Affiliate of Linda Hall Library of Science and Technology This talk reviews and extends topics from previous lectures on the role of related structures in biology, biosemio Kansas City S. Jun 14, 2008 7:47 PM
Final column for KC Star's Faithwalk column and a recruitment request - Just got this by e-mail. Final column for KC Star's Faithwalk column and a recruitment request Just got this by e-mail. ************** Well, I've only got a few more week Kansas City S. Jun 12, 2008 11:32 AM
Amazon.com link on the billboard page - buy and support freethinking activities in KC - http://www.jocorealestate.com/­billboardpage.htm This is just a draft page, but the link is operational and you can order already from Amazon. Kansas City S. Jun 10, 2008 4:52 PM
Social outreach ideas - I came acorss a couple of interesting sites and will later add them tothe billboard site and for the social outreach group formed at the summit to promote and work on. www.SmileTrain.org Kansas City S. Jun 10, 2008 10:43 AM
KCFreeThought.org discussion forum - Check it out and join - requires simple registration (done for purposes of banning spammers and harvesting robots). Greg Swartz will approve you fairly quickly. Kansas City S. Jun 10, 2008 12:27 AM
Atheist billboard - mockup site - http://www.jocorealestate.com/­billboard_page.htm Please, e-mail with any suggestions. Feel free to e-mail me directly at Kansas City S. Jun 8, 2008 9:06 AM
SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT - Jeremy Hall at CoR - July 6, 2008 - Jeremy Hall at CoR - July 6, 2008 In what should be a major event, the Community of Reason has announced that they will be having Jeremy Hall as their speaker on July 6. Jeremy Hall is the Army specialist who tried to have a meeting Kansas City S. Jun 5, 2008 7:50 PM
I want to attend Summit - Preview not available Trina Jun 4, 2008 3:36 AM
IT IS HAPPENING!!!! - June 14th, Saturday - Kansas City Atheists Summit - Preview not available Kansas City S. Jun 3, 2008 9:15 PM
Worlds of Fun Outing - Saturday, June 28th - by Heartland Humanists - Heartland Humanists beat me to the punch :o) as they had this in the works already. Also, below is announcment on Kansas City wide Freethinking picnic. Plan to attend. Last year it was pretty g Kansas City S. Jun 2, 2008 6:06 PM
Kansas City atheist "action" summit - Preview not available Kansas City S. Jun 2, 2008 12:47 PM
Plasma Drive & Fundraiser for Tornado Victims - Plasma Drive in Independence Dominick I. Jun 2, 2008 12:31 PM
Blood Drive - Friday the 13th of all dates :o) - Our Kansas City Real Estate Board is setting up a blood drive on June the 13th - Friday :o) If Heartland Humanists and Community of Reason as well as Skeptics and members of other meetup groups would like to promote it to their members, please, pa Kansas City S. Jun 2, 2008 12:04 PM
Trip to Worlds of Fun/Oceans of Fun in KC and 6 Flags in St. Louis? - Hey, peeps... I am thinking about setting up a trip to World/Oceans of Fun in KC or 6 Flags in St. Louis. Is anyone game? I have no problem to carpool with several people in my Honda Civic Hybrid - 2 people can sit in the back very comforta Kansas City S. Jun 1, 2008 8:47 AM
Directory of Services by KC Freethinkers - Preview not available Kansas City S. May 31, 2008 9:18 PM
Re: [humanism-37] from Iggy - Billboard in Kansas City for $1,500 - I've been a lurker on your lists.... but can pledge 50/month for such a worthy cause. Melodie Armstrong... lema <[address removed]> wrote: melodie May 30, 2008 7:00 PM
Re: [humanism-37] from Iggy - Billboard in Kansas City for $1,500 - I can pledge $25/month :) L. -----Original Message----- From: IGGY <[address removed]> To: [address removed] Lama May 30, 2008 6:46 PM
Re: [humanism-37] from Iggy - Billboard in Kansas City for $1,500 - Melodie, Thanks! I'll be in touch as we have more definitive plans on the board. Pass the word around. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 6:38 PM, melodie < marmst2005@yah Kansas City S. May 30, 2008 6:45 PM
Re: [humanism-37] from Iggy - Billboard in Kansas City for $1,500 - I've been a lurker on your list for a while, but would be happy to contribute 25 to 50 per month towards the billboard. Melodie lema <[address removed]> wrote: melodie May 30, 2008 6:38 PM
Re: [humanism-37] from Iggy - Billboard in Kansas City for $1,500 - who is this? Lema -----Original Message----- From: Mikey <[address removed]> To: [address removed] Lama May 30, 2008 6:32 PM
Re: [humanism-37] from Iggy - Billboard in Kansas City for $1,500 - Jenn, Thanks for your willingness to donate, I have contacted Community of Reason and also Heartland Humanists (another secular organization here in town) with this and will be talking to their leaders this Sunday as I plan to attend CoR lecture an Kansas City S. May 30, 2008 10:16 AM
Re: [humanism-37] from Iggy - Billboard in Kansas City for $1,500 - FYI: Here's an example of a successful pledge: http://www.en-gb.pledgebank.co­m/church-and-state#comment_[ma­sked] This pledge might work: "I will dgreer May 30, 2008 9:57 AM
Re: [humanism-37] from Iggy - Billboard in Kansas City for $1,500 - Hey Iggy, This may be a job for PledgeBank . http://www.en-gb.pledgebank.co­m/ What is PledgeBank for? PledgeBank is a site t dgreer May 30, 2008 9:43 AM
RE: [humanism-37] from Iggy - Billboard in Kansas City for $1,500 - Rob M. May 30, 2008 8:40 AM
Re: [humanism-37] from Iggy - Billboard in Kansas City for $1,500 - I am willing to pledge 25 a month or maybe an upfront 100 bucks or something. Email me if you get something figured out. That would be great if we could get that together. I would be proud to drive by that everyday and it might really help to draw so Erich T. May 29, 2008 9:50 PM
Re: [humanism-37] from Iggy - Billboard in Kansas City for $1,500 - I'd be willing to donate if you can get COR involved (not sure who HH is, but I'm assuming it's a similar organization). Just keep me updated and if I can do anything to help I will. On Thu, May 29, 2008 Jenn May 29, 2008 9:26 PM
from Iggy - Billboard in Kansas City for $1,500 - I just secured a 6 months contract on a billboard off a major highway in Kansas City. It is for real estate advertising for me, but if any other boards become available in the area by the same company or any other company, I can take this board and move i Kansas City S. May 29, 2008 9:21 PM
Crucifiction and Ice Cream - Preview not available Kansas City S. May 27, 2008 12:52 PM
June 18th - Humanists Book Club - Corrupted Science, Fraud, Ideology, and Politics in Science - Corrupted Science, Fraud, Ideology, and Politics in Science by John Grant June 18th 7 PM Lee's Summit branch public lib Kansas City S. May 26, 2008 11:13 PM
MAKE YOUR PLANS FOR JUNE 7TH, SATURDAY - Media and effects of perception of reality - Originally, we were going to have Brian Dunning talk of Skeptoid, but he moved that to July on us. Instead, we will start off discussing how the media effects our perceptions of reality, and it will move in whatever direction the evening takes us. I recen Kansas City S. May 25, 2008 11:16 AM
Atheist BillBoard Rises over Philadelphia - http://snurl.com/2a6w7 Kansas City S. May 22, 2008 8:57 PM
Reminder - Kansas City Atheists & Agnostics Singles - Saturday, May 24 Meetup - Kansas City Atheists & Agnostics Singles - but you don't have to be single to attend! :o) http://singles.meetup.com/2065­/ Meet other atheists and agnostics singles near you! Kansas City S. May 21, 2008 8:33 PM
May 29th - Secret History of the American Empire at KCMO Central Library - WHAT: Author John Perkins discusses his latest book, Secret History of the American Empire WHERE: Central Library; 14 W 10th St. Kansas City, MO 64105 WHEN: Thursday, May 29, at 7 p.m. Secret History of the American Empire a Kansas City S. May 21, 2008 5:29 PM
Fwd: Stop Congress from Fundraising for the Boy Scouts - Kansas City S. May 21, 2008 2:38 PM
Reminder - Today Saturday, May 17th Bowling PAAAAAAAAAAAAAARTY! - Hey, peeps, Pass it on to anyone you know. If someone at Community of Reason and Heartland Humanists can also get this out to their e-mail list, this would be great. If anyone needs a ride, please, let me know by e- Kansas City S. May 17, 2008 7:46 AM
Reminder - Saturday, May 17th Bowling PAAAAAAAAAAAAAARTY! - Hey, peeps, Pass it on to anyone you know. If someone at Community of Reason and Heartland Humanists can also get this out to their e-mail list, this would be great. If anyone needs a ride, please, let me know by e-mail at Kansas City S. May 16, 2008 7:01 AM
MARK YOUR CALENDAR - Kansas City Atheists & Agnostics Singles - Kansas City Atheists & Agnostics Singles - a new Kansas City group is formed http://singles.meetup.com/2065­/ Meet other atheists and agnostics singles near you! Come to a Singles Meetup and flirt Kansas City S. May 15, 2008 2:07 PM
MARK YOUR CALENDAR - June 22, Sunday - World Humanist Day Picnic - Pass this one to anyone you know in KC area. If someone at Community of Reason can pass this around and distribute to the e-mail list it woudl be great. World Humanist Day Picnic is always well attended and a lot of fun. Last year there were lots o Kansas City S. May 15, 2008 1:21 PM
A New Column on Atheism in KC Star - There was another very positive column re Atheism in the KC Star yesterday. Vern Barnet urges Atheists be included in religious discussions. You can contact the reader representative with positive feedback about the piece and recent co Kansas City S. May 15, 2008 10:38 AM
A list of freethinkers & offered professional services in Kansas City - Hey, peeps, I just realized that as freethinkers we may want to have a list of professional services by local Kansas City freethinkers. Since I don't know of such a directory I have decided to start one :o) If you are a babysitter, dog Kansas City S. May 14, 2008 2:11 PM
Pick up truck needed today/tomorrow first thing in the mornign and pair of hands - Peeps, If someone has a pick up truck and a spare pair of hands for tonight I'd appreciate that. I sold a house to a single lady and the seller did not remove some items from the basement which I said I can take - a work out station and some we Kansas City S. May 14, 2008 1:44 PM
Pope says it's OK to believe in aliens - Finally, Christians can get it that I have been telling the truth I am from another planet - another athoritative (truthful) fact inspired by my personal god and savior the Flying Spaghetti Monster and Hannibal Lector who has cloned Pope a new brain :) Kansas City S. May 14, 2008 10:31 AM
MAY 17 - KC Atheists and Agnostics Bowling PAAAAAAAAAAAAATY! - Hey, peeps, Pass it on to anyone you know. If someone at Community of Reason and Heartland Humanists can also get this out to their e-mail list, this would be great. If anyone needs a ride, please, let me know by e- Kansas City S. May 14, 2008 10:01 AM
Childish superstition: Einstein's letter makes view of religion relatively clear - Childish superstition: Einstein's letter makes view of religion relatively clear by Guardian UK http://www.guardian.co.uk/scie­nce/2008/may/12/peopleinscie Kansas City S. May 12, 2008 9:52 PM
Americans waste their time praying for cheaper gas - Matthew 18:[masked] Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there Kansas City S. May 12, 2008 9:49 PM
Flying Spaghetti Monster (my personal god) statue graces courhouse lawn - Flying Spaghetti Monster (my personal god) statue graces courhouse lawn http://angryastronomer.blogspo­t.com/2008/04/fsm-statue-grace­s-courhouse-lawn.h Kansas City S. May 10, 2008 8:03 AM
The Value of PI - A rather interesting post from a person whose Christian bubble was burst by a simple math fact - god rounded up laws of nature :o) http://exchristian.net/ Kansas City S. May 10, 2008 6:24 AM
The History Channel might do something right - Preview not available Kansas City S. May 8, 2008 7:53 AM
An Atheist Goes Undercover to Join the Flock of Mad Pastor John Hagee - An Atheist Goes Undercover to Join the Flock of Mad Pastor John Hagee http://www.alternet.org/rights­/84043 Kansas City S. May 8, 2008 7:50 AM
CORRECTION!!!!!!!!! - MAY 17, Saturday, not 15Th - KC Atheists and Agnostics Bowling PAAAAAAAAAAAAATY! - Hey, peeps, Pass it on to anyone you know.If someone at Community of Reason and Heartland Humanists can also get this out to their e-mail list, this would be great. If anyone needs a ride, please, let me know by e-mail at Kansas City S. May 6, 2008 6:41 PM
KC Atheists and Agnostics Bowling PAAAAAAAAAAAAATY! - Hey, peeps, Pass it on to anyone you know.If someone at Community of Reason and Heartland Humanists can also get this out to their e-mail list, this would be great. If anyone needs a ride, please, let me know by e-mail at Kansas City S. May 6, 2008 6:28 PM
Dumb and Dumber: A discussion between Ben Stein and Glenn Beck - Dumb and Dumber: A discussion between Ben Stein and Glenn Beck of Headline News about the movie "Expelled - No Intelligence Allowed." For those who have the stomach, here's Glenn Beck interviewing Ben Stein from a few days ago. Kansas City S. May 5, 2008 11:57 PM
A New Group - Kansas City Atheists & Agnostics Singles - Kansas City Atheists & Agnostics Singles http://singles.meetup.com/2065­ Kansas City S. May 4, 2008 6:55 PM
The gospel according to Jeremiah Wright - Preview not available Kansas City S. May 2, 2008 9:18 PM
Video of babies thrown off 50 ft temple - http://youtube.com/watch?v=GeN­Ktb2SP_M Sounds like a rational idea, I think we should adopt it. Let's have Christians lobby for something like this - a true faith in god, oh, I forgot, there Kansas City S. May 2, 2008 1:33 PM
Reminder - Skeptics Meetup - Alternatives to Prayer on National Day of Prayer - Pass this along to anyone interested... As always, Skeptics group as the most robust and funny freethinking group in town is cooking up some Russian cabbage and beets "borsch" soup :o) or as I'd put it mildy "sh.t" - Oh, he Kansas City S. May 2, 2008 11:33 AM
Hitler and god - Preview not available Kansas City S. May 2, 2008 7:02 AM
Expelled Poll has been taken down - The poll has been taken down with what I remember last was 98%+ saying "no" to teaching "ID"iotic views in school. Apparently, atheists organized pretty well to kick "ID"iotic ass :o) One of comments on other Kansas City S. May 1, 2008 5:38 PM
The Anti-Defamation League - "Expelled" Misappropriates the Holocaust - Preview not available Kansas City S. Apr 30, 2008 7:06 PM
Re: [humanism-37] Fwd: Glad you all made it & KC Star colum - Chuck Lunney's column was beautiful. He wasn't very diplomatic but I guess there are times when being a little more hard hitting is called for...I think I'll use the National Day of Prayer as a time to go and donate some red blood cells...or plasma... Christian W. Apr 30, 2008 2:35 PM
Fwd: Glad you all made it & KC Star colum - I'm guessing some of the folks read the Star newspaper. Their Faith section has 'Faith Walk' columnists from the community and one of them, Chuck Lunney, is an Atheist. His column from last week (Saturday) is taking some heat in th Kansas City S. Apr 30, 2008 8:24 AM
Religion as figment of human imagination - New Scientist - http://snurl.com/26950 Kansas City S. Apr 28, 2008 9:59 PM
Correction on the location - Ask an Atheist - at KU, Lawrence, April 29th - location - Preview not available Kansas City S. Apr 28, 2008 7:32 PM
Ask an Atheist - at KU, Lawrence, April 29th - location - Preview not available Kansas City S. Apr 28, 2008 10:19 AM
Obama-Clinton debate on faith? - Or was it values last week? Did anyone see the debate on faith between Obama and Hillary? One of my contacts told me that it seemed that Obama was saying "I believe in god and all but this is not going to help people pay their mortgages, etc" while Hil Kansas City S. Apr 24, 2008 7:46 AM
Ask an Atheist - at KU, Lawrence, April 29th - Preview not available Kansas City S. Apr 23, 2008 8:08 PM
Morals of human children brought up by animals - Hey peeps... I am wondering if anyone has some well balanced references to this... And of course, any thoughts are appreciated There have been numerous cases of "wolf children" found who had been adopted by animals all over the world. I have not d Kansas City S. Apr 23, 2008 7:42 PM
Ask an Atheist is scheduled at KU, Lawrence - Preview not available Kansas City S. Apr 21, 2008 8:31 PM
from Iggy - hope you have a great week ahead of you - Kids' sing along http://www.youtube.com/watch?v­=cA-pWKRyyG8 Some facts from the Bible http://www.youtube.com/watch?v­=4HIUQrdXL1Q&feature=related Freedom From Religion Foundation April 5, 2008 - When Prayer Fails: Child Homicide via Prayer http:/ Kansas City S. Apr 20, 2008 11:12 PM
The most hilarious things I've found about sex in the Bible - This is what your preacher is not going to tell you about :o) Oral Sex and God's Will Anal Sex and God's Will Viagra and God's Will Reader Questions and Answers Masturbation - God's Great Gift to Us A Proposal for a Christian Pornography Kansas City S. Apr 20, 2008 9:49 PM
Freethinking bowling party? - Hey, guys and gals! Pass this on to anyone who is interested. Are you up for a bowling party? I have some 15 coupons for a free bowling session from frozen dinners :o) my kids and I have b Kansas City S. Mar 9, 2008 2:23 PM
What if god smoked cannabis? - Preview not available Kansas City S. Mar 9, 2008 12:12 PM
Britain used astrology to fight Hitler - http://news.google.com/news?hl­=en&ned=us&q=astrologe­r+britain+world+hitler&btn­G=Search Kansas City S. Mar 3, 2008 10:55 PM
"Imagine" by John Lennon - "American Idol" style :o) - Very interesting. Though I don't want "Ameircan Idol" this was a ratehr interesting performance - the song is butchered and the parts about "Imagine No Religion, No Heaven, No Hell Below" are completely cut out. Kansas City S. Feb 29, 2008 4:54 PM
Bart Ehrman's debate tonight in Kansas City - the slaghter of the innocents :o( - When I was leaving the debate last night I got to talk to two young Christians and asked them who they thought won the debate - there was a very long silence and the guy said "Well, it depends...". I asked him if he was at the same debate I w Kansas City S. Feb 29, 2008 9:09 AM
Bart Ehrman's debate tonight in Kansas City - the slaghter of the innocents :o( - Ehrman demolished Licona hands down tonight. He was hitting him really hard, so at times it was as if it was knockdown every 20 seconds. It was like the slaughter of the innocents. The silliness of the debate came to the boiling point for me where Ehrman Kansas City S. Feb 28, 2008 10:57 PM
Re: [humanism-37] Another article in KC Star - changing religious lanscape - That article was online too - the author was Linda Staten. There were many reviews on the Web and lots of great comments on it. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Christian L. Ambrose-Wade < Kansas City S. Feb 28, 2008 3:45 PM
Re: [humanism-37] Another article in KC Star - changing religious lanscape - I picked up that paper. Did you see Saturday's paper. It had a section on atheists and was rather glowing...:) --- IGGY wrote: > Today's > http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/505433.html > > There is a comment section, pitc Christian W. Feb 28, 2008 3:40 PM
The Lost Ark of the Covenant: Solving the 2,500 Year Old Mystery of the Fabled Biblical Ark. - Today - 11 a.m. Central Time - This will be on KCUR (Kansas City NPR Station) today 11 a.m. Central time. You can become part of the conversation during the show by calling in at [masked] or by emailin Kansas City S. Feb 28, 2008 9:59 AM
Missouri House battles over religion, politics, Xenu and Vishnu - Preview not available Kansas City S. Feb 27, 2008 11:13 PM
Scottish backpacker stabbed to death after creationism row - http://www.independent.co.uk/n­ews/world/australasia/scottish­-backpacker-stabbed-to-death-a­fter-creationism Kansas City S. Feb 26, 2008 1:47 PM
Another article in KC Star - changing religious lanscape - Today's http://www.kansascity.com/105/­story/505433.html There is a comment section, pitch it -- Cheers and talk to you later! P.S. If you need a Kansas City S. Feb 26, 2008 8:47 AM
Nice column on Athiests in last Friday's Kansas City paper - Here is the text to a column in last Friday's Ka Kansas City S. Feb 25, 2008 11:46 PM
Wiley Drake Asks for Prayers for Death of American United Leaders - The LA Times has opened a comment spot about PastorWiley Drake's call for the death of the leaders of Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Leave your comment at: Kansas City S. Feb 25, 2008 7:59 PM
Extra! Extra! - Kansas Virgin Birth!!!! - Extra! Extra! Read all about it. Science proves what Catholic Church has maintained all along. VIRGIN BIRTH IS POSSIBLE Birds Do It. Bees Do It. Dragons Don't Need To. By NEIL S Kansas City S. Feb 24, 2008 7:38 PM
Our God is an Awsome god - song by African kids - http://youtube.com/watch?v=HPa­-RzKQ7hc&feature=related I've picked out the most interesting comments to this video. To me some of them are so bizarre that I believe yo Kansas City S. Feb 23, 2008 7:35 PM
Double edged sword of richness - http://lubbockonline.com/stori­es/022308/rel_250015042.shtml 41% of PhDs attend church services? Hmmmmmmmm. I'd like to see this study and see if there are any other contr Kansas City S. Feb 23, 2008 5:57 PM
Secular lobbyist in high places - An interesting piece on secular lobbyist in DC. Also, it was impressive that NY legislature unanimously passed a resolution declaring Feb 12 Darwin Day. Kansas City S. Feb 23, 2008 5:51 PM
Fwd: The Third Jesus - leave it to Deepak Chopra ;o) - From a skeptical standpoint :) - now there is a global consciousness Jesus :o) http://news.google.com/news Kansas City S. Feb 22, 2008 2:06 PM
Some great material straight from the horses mouth - Here is some great material straight from the horses mouth. http://www.answersingenesis.or­g/video/ondemand/ Kansas City S. Feb 20, 2008 6:45 PM
Bart Ehrman's new book - "The God Problem" - On "Fresh Air" NPR - Preview not available Kansas City S. Feb 19, 2008 3:45 PM
Bart Ehrman's debate in KC on Feb 28th - LET'S SHOW UP AND CHEER HIM ON? - Pass this on to anyone interested... I am thinking to come out to the debate early and see if we can call some seats in the chapel where the debate will take place and have a "cheering block" of godless heathens. I have no idea Kansas City S. Feb 19, 2008 3:06 PM
Ellen Johnson of American Atheists - don't vote - I disagree with her on not voting, I think she is insane saying there are no clear candidates out there for secularists. Out of all the evils out there, Obama and Clinton are the less evil and surely can be taught to jump through the hoops of secularism b Kansas City S. Feb 19, 2008 9:31 AM
Richard Dawkins is given a funeral - A fortnight ago, Christian zealots in America ritually burned the effigy of the famous Oxford scientist Professor Richard Dawkins. Dawkins was given a church funeral service and his life-sized dummy set aflame. Kansas City S. Feb 18, 2008 7:36 PM
Lean mean bull machine :o) - http://www.liveleak.com/view?i­=49e_1203050560 -- Cheers and talk to you later! P.S. If you need a loan for your house or want to refinance your hom Kansas City S. Feb 17, 2008 5:07 PM
Bart Ehrman - Kansas City S. Feb 17, 2008 3:14 PM
http://www.waragainsttheweak.c­om/ - Preview not available Kansas City S. Feb 14, 2008 11:47 AM
Expelled (The Ben Stein anti-Darwin movie)-O'Reilly Interview - Here is a youtube video of Ben Stein on the 'no spin zone' O'Reilly show giving his ludicrous speech about his movie "Expelled" . He claims hes fighting for freedom of speech, despite the fact that freedom of speech h Kansas City S. Feb 13, 2008 6:14 PM
My daughter just got 3 letters from Christian Schools inviting her over for a visit - My daughter just got 3 letters from Christian Schools inviting her over for a visit - Oklahoma Baptist University, Newman University, and The Catholic University of America. Apparently the same marketing company handles the mailings as they are al Kansas City S. Feb 13, 2008 12:18 PM

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