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Cheap Kayaks at Walmart.com, 2 basic styles? safety? realistic practicality???? and Pedal Boats (so much fun)

A former member
Post #: 3
I was looking at KAYAKs and found some cheap ones at Wal-Mart (and they will ship to your local store for free)

This OPEN STYLE is only $199 (no paddle) Coleman Drifter
http://www.walmart.co...­
weight capacity 225 lbs or more depending on conditions

This CLOSED STYLE is only $249 Coleman Hooligan 85 (not to be confused with Hooligan 110)
http://www.walmart.co...­
weight capacity???? (the Hooligan 110 is 260 lbs)

I currently weight 229 lbs but am on a diet and intend to get to 210 or less, what do you think? is the open style "Drifter" gonna hold me above water?

The OPEN STYLE Drifter appears to be a solid thing that wont sink, but ones legs are exposed (probably get more wet? or not?
The CLOSED STYLE "Hooligan 85" appears to be more sinkable?? but more protective to the legs

ANY OPINONS OF STYLE? AND QUALITY? OF THESE SPECIFIC BRAND/PRODUCTS?? WELCOME

I went Kayaking in Orange County CA around 17 years ago? it was fun.

SAILING
I am thinking I could make my own Sail tie/attach a sail or plastic tarp to a allumminum vertical pole, and the tarp/sail hangs down to be connected left and right to a horizontal pole, which you can swing the left or right side more forward to take advanage of the wind, then it should be colapsable. When up, the sail would look like a PYRAMID shape sail, what do you think? would it work on a 225 capacity open boat like the "Drifter" with a 210 lbs 6'1" guy like me? or is it too close?

ADDENDUM TO THE ABOVE

$329.99 Pelican Apex 100 Fade Kayak - Weight Capacity 250 lbs (should hold 225 lb me? dieting)
http://www.walmart.co...­
and its Open Style appears unsiknable(?) and its 10 ft long, what do you think?

Wal-Mart has a few other styles and prices
$369.99 KL Industries 10' Water Quest Sit-in Deluxe Fishing Kayak
http://www.walmart.co...­
Weight Capacity Unkown?

$399 Ocean Kayak® Frenzy™ Kayak 9ft long, 325 lb max capacity OPEN STYLE store in Las Vegas
http://www.basspro.co...­

$299 10 ft, capacity 325 lbs Open? Unsinkable??? store in Las Vegas (see link, select location)
http://www.basspro.co...­

***** and all sorts of Brands listed at *****
http://www.calibex.co...­

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THIS WOULD BE MY CHOICE IN KAYAKS: HOBIE KAYAK totally cool
http://www.hobiecat.c...­


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Pedal Boats (I rode in a pedal boat years ago I think it was the Long Beach area, so much fun, and they really move) do they have them here at Lake Mead?
http://www.nextag.com...­

This has to be the Ultimate
$5000 sail kayak trimaran (I think it also has Pedal power) by HOBIE (surf)
http://www.austinkaya...­

I like this 150 lb Pontoon Pedal Boat, looks more stable http://www.aquacycleu...­

Deluxe Pontoon Pedal Boat http://www.prophish.c...­

Catamaran Pedal Boats http://www.directboat...­

$749 Pedal Boat @ Wal Mart
http://www.walmart.co...­

WaterBee 203 http://www.pedalboat....­

One of the Fastest Pedal Boats http://www.openwaterc...­

I think I am going to have to put it all on the shelf for now, due to poverty, but I do work commission and things could pick up, maybe by the time the weather gets warm, maybe I can get a Pedal Boat, or with my music www.archure.net maybe I can swing the trimaran?
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Tim H.
user 9772592
Las Vegas, NV
Post #: 146
I just started kayaking this past summer. We picked up a couple kayaks for $200 each at Dicks Sporting Goods. I have one similar to the KL Ind. one you mentioned and like it but you might want to check with the local kayak rental and tour companies. They often sell off their old rental fleet when they get new kayaks and you can pick up a much better kayak for a good price. The open kayaks are better if you're into kayak fishing but I prefer the sit inside style. I'm 5'6" and weight about 150 so my 10' kayak is ok but I'd like at least a 14' next time. The shorter ones are probably going to feel really cramped for someone your size.
Kyle R.
user 12308014
Las Vegas, NV
Post #: 5
In choosing a kayak, really thing about what you are planning on doing with it. My wife and I have sit-on-top kayaks because we like to get in and out of the boat often and have a lot of flexibility for taking things with us like coolers, seats and tents. However, in rough waters we definitely get a lot more water on the legs. In the summer it's fairly refreshing though. I have an Ascend FS12T which is a 12 foot SOT with a weight limit of 350lbs. My wife has a Bic Bilbao 10 foot SOT with a weight limit of 250lbs. Both are able to hold me and some gear with no problems. I'm about the same size as you. The 10 footer is a little short though and not as comfortable for longer paddles. For me, I wouldn't go shorter than 12 feet for comfort reasons. I agree with Tim. Check out a shop like Desert Adventures. We picked up the Bic Bilbao from them after they took it out of their rental fleet for about 1/2 the price of new.
myreen
user 13287092
Boulder City, NV
Post #: 1
I was looking at KAYAKs and found some cheap ones at Wal-Mart (and they will ship to your local store for free)

This OPEN STYLE is only $199 (no paddle) Coleman Drifter
http://www.walmart.co...­
weight capacity 225 lbs or more depending on conditions

This CLOSED STYLE is only $249 Coleman Hooligan 85 (not to be confused with Hooligan 110)
http://www.walmart.co...­
weight capacity???? (the Hooligan 110 is 260 lbs)

I currently weight 229 lbs but am on a diet and intend to get to 210 or less, what do you think? is the open style "Drifter" gonna hold me above water?

The OPEN STYLE Drifter appears to be a solid thing that wont sink, but ones legs are exposed (probably get more wet? or not?
The CLOSED STYLE "Hooligan 85" appears to be more sinkable?? but more protective to the legs

ANY OPINONS OF STYLE? AND QUALITY? OF THESE SPECIFIC BRAND/PRODUCTS?? WELCOME

I went Kayaking in Orange County CA around 17 years ago? it was fun.

SAILING
I am thinking I could make my own Sail tie/attach a sail or plastic tarp to a allumminum vertical pole, and the tarp/sail hangs down to be connected left and right to a horizontal pole, which you can swing the left or right side more forward to take advanage of the wind, then it should be colapsable. When up, the sail would look like a PYRAMID shape sail, what do you think? would it work on a 225 capacity open boat like the "Drifter" with a 210 lbs 6'1" guy like me? or is it too close?

ADDENDUM TO THE ABOVE

$329.99 Pelican Apex 100 Fade Kayak - Weight Capacity 250 lbs (should hold 225 lb me? dieting)
http://www.walmart.co...­
and its Open Style appears unsiknable(?) and its 10 ft long, what do you think?

Wal-Mart has a few other styles and prices
$369.99 KL Industries 10' Water Quest Sit-in Deluxe Fishing Kayak
http://www.walmart.co...­
Weight Capacity Unkown?

$399 Ocean Kayak® Frenzy™ Kayak 9ft long, 325 lb max capacity OPEN STYLE store in Las Vegas
http://www.basspro.co...­

$299 10 ft, capacity 325 lbs Open? Unsinkable??? store in Las Vegas (see link, select location)
http://www.basspro.co...­

***** and all sorts of Brands listed at *****
http://www.calibex.co...­

//////////////////////////////////////­////////////////////////////////////////­////
THIS WOULD BE MY CHOICE IN KAYAKS: HOBIE KAYAK totally cool
http://www.hobiecat.c...­


**************************************­***
**************************************­***
Pedal Boats (I rode in a pedal boat years ago I think it was the Long Beach area, so much fun, and they really move) do they have them here at Lake Mead?
http://www.nextag.com...­

This has to be the Ultimate
$5000 sail kayak trimaran (I think it also has Pedal power) by HOBIE (surf)
http://www.austinkaya...­

I like this 150 lb Pontoon Pedal Boat, looks more stable http://www.aquacycleu...­

Deluxe Pontoon Pedal Boat http://www.prophish.c...­

Catamaran Pedal Boats http://www.directboat...­

$749 Pedal Boat @ Wal Mart
http://www.walmart.co...­

WaterBee 203 http://www.pedalboat....­

One of the Fastest Pedal Boats http://www.openwaterc...­

I think I am going to have to put it all on the shelf for now, due to poverty, but I do work commission and things could pick up, maybe by the time the weather gets warm, maybe I can get a Pedal Boat, or with my music www.archure.net maybe I can swing the trimaran?
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I would just go to Dicks at the Galleria Mall or another sporting goods store so you can actually sit in the kayak and see how it fits. Kayaks vary quite a bit and its hard to know what it will be like just mail ordering. I bought a sit on top kayak at Dicks for around $150 and bought my sit in kayak there too when it was GALYANs. There are so many different nuances that it really helps to sit in it to get the feel of it. I would suggest that over mail ordering a kayak that you've never seen . . . best luck! kyayaking is really fun. you will enjoy it but it is important to get a kayak that you are comfortable in. Also you can get special seat inserts for your kayak which makes a huge difference too. Myreen
jerry h.
jerryhesch
Henderson, NV
Post #: 202
To reply to the question re sail modification. Me thinks it could be difficult and the architecture would absolutely have to be safe. When all was said and done there might have been an easier route. I believe that there is a local sail club and lessons. The Coast Guard auxilliary has a sailing class as do others so maybe joining such could get you on the water safely. I feel your passion for the enjoyement, when on water whare is the worry of world? Far away!
BEst of luck, and safety
J
Tim
garduque
Las Vegas, NV
Post #: 233
There's a lot of stuff in your original post. I think the first thing to do is focus on what exactly it is you want to do in your boat, and how much you want to spend. You have a wide range of stuff there. Some boats might work, some probably won't. A boat with a capacity of 225lbs is not appropriate for a 210lb man, for example.

I usually recommend sit inside kayaks over sit on tops. They are generally faster, more comfortable, and have more options in terms of rudders/skegs and hatches. Sit on tops are also only really good for summer paddling, and it's really nice to paddle out here in the winter. The longer and skinnier the boat the faster it will go and the better it will track (go in a straight line on its own). The shorter and wider your boat the more stable it will be and the slower you will go. Finding the combination that works for you will take time, which is one benefit of renting before you buy. You're a big guy so finding something comfortable will take a little more effort, and I definitely wouldn't recommend buying a boat without sitting in it first.

If you want a quality sail I would recommend Pacific Action Sails: http://www.pacificact...­ . That's what I use. You can build your own knock-off if you're inclined, I'm just not that handy.

Anyway, in general I say buy the best boat you can afford, and you can spend as much or as little as you want. I paddled an $800 boat for a long time and was happy with it. Now I paddle a $3000 boat and am more happy with it. There's no right answer, as long as you're comfortable in it and it floats.
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