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Money, Money, Money

  • Mar 7, 2013 · 6:00 PM
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Hello all ponderers,

the topic of 'Money' has come up a number of times in some of our recent discussions already and a couple of quotes I heard (see below) might be a good starting point for a debate about the sensitive issue of money. We all need some, we all have or lack some, we despise it or love it, it makes or lives comfortable or the lack of it ascetic.....

What's the difference between wealth and poverty ?Is money just a rational medium of exchange or does it (or the lack of it) fill us with envy, greed, desires ? How is money connected with power ? Does it corrupt ? etc.etc.

I'm sure you can come up with more questions and aspects of the influence of money on our self and our community.

Here are the quotes I mentioned above: "Money is the barometer of a society's virtue" Ayn Rand, philosopher and writer - and: "The wealthiest societies are the most virtuous" Alan Knight, theatre director - what do you think ? Debatable, no ?

See you soon

Ziggy

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  • Peter E.

    Wow, now we have a real discussion - after our meeting on-line. It seems that the topic was very thought provoking after all. But I rather prefer the discussion sitting around the table and the next evening's topic - attachment – should give us loads of opportunities for another good debate.
    To David: Sorry to see you go, but on the other hand I always found that you were never really committed to the group ( mostly coming late and leaving early).

    March 10, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    pt 2.....this week there were a few silent moments but I think for everything that was said, everyone of us around the table would be like more money for a better life that doesn't involve the grindstone of 9-5 Mon-Fri work.....I guess it's a double edge sword......so maybe the discussion said more about all of us than we realise....walking on broken glass comes to mind. My two cents, once again hope I haven't overstepped anything....

    March 8, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I'm not able to attend all meetings as I would like, but when I do go, I tend to leave (some what like Ziggy) and feel that I talked to much or am too strongly opinioned..and feel bad....but I generally agree that the discussions are there to exchange options, share attitudes and/or to help people understand others points of view, or simply to gain more knowledge or a (greater) opinion on something that you didn't hold before....I don't always think there should be one person to leader the group, sometimes it'll flow and sometimes it won't.....but I think Ziggy does a splendid job organising everything and certaining making sure i'm in the loop :) Thank you.......I certainly hope I have never been rude to anyone in the group and certainly hope I have never offended anyone.......pt 2 coming...

    March 8, 2013

  • Ziggy

    cont.: I did feel incredibly bad about the money that went up in smoke at the fireworks last night, Ginni, and could not really enjoy it as much as I had expected.

    Thank you Monique for your supportive words ! I have so many doubts about my 'leadership' of the group. So often after the meeting I think I didn't do well, didn't ask the right questions, didn't support or engage people in the best way etc.etc. It's good to hear that you - and hopefully others - appreciate my humble efforts in running this group.
    And yes, 'Attachment' might sure open wounds and I hope we can let out a few toxins - as a healing not a hurting process.

    March 8, 2013

  • Ziggy

    Wow, now what a surprise to see the comments after our MeetUp last night ! At first I thought this was not such a good meeting, but seeing the reactions to it, I realize it has stirred up quite a few emotions ! Great ! That's where I want the group to go.
    Thanks, David, for letting us know why you want to leave the group - and fair enough - I accept your opinion. I must say however that Monique made some good points about being uncomfortable and self- evaluation ! After all 'Life, Universe and everything' is supposed to be a group where we debate things, and disagree, rather than patting each other on the shoulders and tell each other how great we all are. I did not feel that anybody was rude to anyone yesterday (or in previous meetings). Being challenged in my views and attitudes is something I actually really enjoy and value in this group ! Thanks, Margaret for being the one who dares to say something controversial every now and again !
    to be continued.....

    March 8, 2013

  • Monique le R.

    ...continued..Anyway, there have been moments where some topics have made me uncomfortable but I continue to attend because 1) Being uncomfortable makes me think and evaluate myself and the reasons behind my discomfort. 2) I really enjoy the company of and connect well with 99% of the people who attend the group and 3) I learn something every time I go. In every gathering there will be somebody who you don’t connect with, who may irritate you or who may be a right pain in the ar*e or downright rude. How one handles these people is determined by ones’ own depth of character. The world and society at large will sort the transgressors. So, in summary: Ziggy I would like to thank you for all the hard work you put into organising the group and all the politics you have to endure (on the behalf of others) as the group leader. See you at the next meetup. ‘Attachment’ promises to really open the wounds..and maybe let out a few toxins .

    March 8, 2013

  • Monique le R.

    People that attend Meetup groups that discuss contentious issues faced by society today will more than likely (not always) have some of the following qualities: an-above average education/ intelligent, be strong-willed, be deep thinkers and will care deeply about society & the environment to the point of frustration. A lot of the frustration is aimed at ourselves and our enslavement to stuff/ expectations/ norms and standards. Yes, some people will push the boundaries and ask controversial questions to the point where others may feel uncomfortable..but sometimes change means pushing boundaries and getting out of the comfort zone. This in no way excuses any rude behaviour where personal insults are thrown about. But my point is that it is not really accurate to compare a group such as ours to a tramping group..or a bridge club for that matter. Maybe the same placid individuals from a tramping group discussing the same topic would get just as fired up..or as rude. Who knows? (t/b cont)

    March 8, 2013

  • Virginia M.

    An irony, perhaps, that our event organizer ended up paying someone's coffee tab from the last meet up....and that several group attendees went on to watch a spectacular volcanic display of mountains of money going up in smoke at the Art Festival opening pyrotechnic display... after questioning the values of a society where our most vital emergency services are funded by voluntary donations...and whether indeed money equates to virtue!
    We all hold different opinions. Should we be striving to identify 'unity within diversity' or doesn't it matter?

    March 8, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Sorry - can't make it now.

    March 7, 2013

  • Jeff B.

    “Everyone wants to ride with you in the limo, but what you want is someone who will take the bus with you when the limo breaks down.”
    ― Oprah Winfrey

    March 3, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I've just come across this group, looks really interesting! Sadly, I can't make the 7th but I hope I will be able to meet you guys at the next event!

    March 2, 2013

  • Peter E.

    All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
    Spike Milligan

    1 · March 1, 2013

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