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Re: [philosophy-178] Re: my lamely formatted (first) email

From: Dominic C.
Sent on: Wednesday, June 6, 2007 9:26 PM

I know this is provocative guys but can you leave non-existent imaginary beings and dodgy old books out of philosophical debates by 21st Century Homo Sapiens. No I thought not.What an enduring delusion it is.Must have some survival value.The answer lies in evolutionary psychology not philosophy

The really interesting questions are in the Theory of Knowledge.What do you mean by saying you understand something.? You are probably following a cause effect prediction link.This is what science does.How come we understand the Universe (partly anyway and improving our knowledge every day.) Why should the Universe follow this cause/ effect link ?

Answer:All Universes which didnt cease to exist.Or maybe they do in  one of the other 10 dimensions specified by String Theory.

Now get your teeth into that guys and never mind the God stuff  

Regards

Dom

 

We operate most effectively when we are rational not emotional.As I said before emotions are a bad master and a good servant.

In dreams we lose our need for things to make sense and the most crazy things are accepted by the mind.

----Original Message----
From: [address removed]
Date: 06/06/[masked]:17
To: <[address removed]>
Subj: Re: [philosophy-178] Re: my lamely formatted (first) email

...Another one bites the dust...
 
Hi Dominic (if you are still there)! I don't blame you for feeling overwhelmed by the 'disjointed chatting forum which is neither philosophy nor...' but I have to stop here, as in my opinion this chatting does make a lot of sense. You just need to have the patience to skim through it all, copy and paste what interests you in a word document (as I did), and then come up with your personal opinion based on what you've 'heard' so far.
 
Hi guys
I've been working my way through your 'disjointed chatting' so far and I've just about managed to read all the physolophy group emails that had been clogging my inbox in an alarming and unprecedented way. I'm really happy I've joined this group, and I'm sorry I didn't make it to the 'Prisoner's Dilemma' meetup, but maybe in the future...
 
Anyway, I found some of your comments enlightening and I'm going to speak up my mind regarding the 'Evolution/Creation' issue.
 
The first comment that caught my attention was Kat's, who soundly points out that 'no matter is nonliving - everything has energy and is alive on some level'. 
Kat, I like your idea that ��no matter is nonliving��, and maybe this should take us back to the Bible, where, in Exodus 3:13, when Moses asks God what his name is, God replies: ��I AM WHO I AM��, or ��I AM WHAT I AM�� or ��I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE��, according to the Revised Standard Version of the Holy Bible, London OUP 1963).
 
Now I regard myself neither as a believer, nor as an atheist or a pagan, so I prefer to call myself  a ��free thinker��. From this position therefore, I think and I believe that 'God��s answer' quoted above may be the key to understanding the very nature of God and the essence of Evolution. If God refers to itself as the one who is, i.e. exists, or will be/exist, it is obvious that this is how God was perceived thousands of years ago by the prophets and by the lay people, and the idea of God and Evolution are incorporated in one and the same principle, which is life itself. (Quite sensible for a bunch of people who did not have access to the findings of people like Einstein or Stephen Hawkins).
The way I see it, God is a living, evolving principle, and for that reason I prefer to call God the ��Is��, which exists in a dynamic equilibrium, i.e. it never rests or ceases to move. Considered as such, God does not contradict the idea of evolution, as God itself is Life Evolving, and it will continue to change as long as time exists.
 
This may sound right to Andrew Bamber as well, (��Well -- I believe in God and evolution. How twisted is that��? and may not come as a surprise to Dave (��What about the evolution of God..��?).
By the way, Dave, I found your idea quite startling, and it come at the right time to back up my theory that God is Changing!
 
Steve, you're right saying that it's often hard to explain one's 'atheist point of view to people without unintentionally offending', but on the other hand it's so rewarding when people are able to communicate with ecah other despite their religious beliefs. I think that for the continuous success of this philosophy group we should establish some rules based on your suggestion: ��Let go of what we happily accepted without question during our impressionable years, challenge ourselves and think about out how we might think through and test and compare the competing theories��.
 
 
Hi Gavin, great comments and sound references to Richard Dawkins and Berrtand Russell. Indeed, what we need at present is to ��stand up and look the world frankly in the face�� and ��make the best we can of the world', helped by scientific knowledge and having the courage to be free of any belief imposed on us by our parents at an age when we were too na��ve and to scared to question religion.
 
Finally, Janos Abel, to your idea that 'it is a pity that so many people do not distinguish between believing in God and believing in a religion, which is a human institution��, I myself find 'the Universe, as revealed by modern Cosmology, a religious experience. Same with evolution which is just ongoing creation.
 
 To Said and all those who are trying to understand how can anyone be moral and not belong to a religious faith at the same time, I should kindly recommend to have a look at the paragraph from C.G.Jung: Memories, Dreams, Reflections, Vintage Books 1989, pp. 36-41 attached here), in which the great psychologist, the son of a priest and brought up under strict religious moral beliefs, has the courage to leap from indoctrination to freedom of spirit and still remain truthful to God.
 
Kind regards,
Marina
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Dominic Colgan <[address removed]> wrote:
Can you please take me off this e-mailing list as it a disjointed chatting forum which is neither philosophy nor making any kind of sense. I dont know who is replying to what and it clogging up my e-mail box.


 
----Original Message----
From: [address removed]
Date: 06/06/2007 9:34
To: <[address removed]>
Subj: [philosophy-178] Re: my lamely formatted (first) email

I am really sorry it came across so unformatted -- I am quite surprised and clueless as to why the system has done that.  I had thought some and it was a well intentioned addition :/

David








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