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Re: [philosophy-178] Are women predominantly social and unphilosophical?

From: Sonia X.
Sent on: Wednesday, July 4, 2007 1:15 PM
Hi there,
 
Unless you have a valid evidence you cannot claim that women do not like robust debates. Most women are prepared to take a risk if this risk is worthy. Also there is nothing wrong with the comfort zone. Anyway, why would someone waste their time and energy for something that's unproductive and dull.
 
In my opinion, women are more philosophical than men. Remember, it's always a man that ask women for their advice and it's a woman decision that's final. A wise woman is behind every successful man.
 
I don't read Cosmo and I don't do speed-dating. I'm outdoor person who likes outdoor activities. I'm a woman who is adventures and far from your conventional view. 
 
s
   
 
  

Andromeda <[address removed]> wrote:
Hello Philosophy-178

In that case I might as well say that there is a group some of you like
robust argument and occasional insults, elegantly expressed. If you don't
like the heat, then get out of the kitchen. Philosophical debate is for
people of a robust emotional constitution anyway. That is probably why most
women won't join, perhaps? (Sorry if this sounds sexist, girls, but I guess
most people just conform to type and there is nothing you can do about it to
drag them out of their comfort zone.)

I also have a group for the Philosophical Singleton which is predictably
male-dominated. I was hoping that some of the more focused and
philosophical women might see that, rather than go to the usual speed-dating
and singles events that are more obvious and "meat market", where they
usually find themselves outnumbering the men, they should go where the men
are. I guess there ain't many philosophical and adventurous women. The
ones that are looking mostly prefer to read Cosmo and stay in their little
exclusive feminist groups if they say they are into politics.

Anyway, pseuds at the Philosophical Enquirer are given short shrift. We
have already seen off two academic philosophers.

Nutters (of any hue welcomed) provided they write in good clear English. We
are all "nutters" to people who disagree with us!

If you like things where you are then you will of course remain where you
are. If you like to explore and widen your philosophical horizons in a
group that scorns pretentious pseudo academic philosophy, seeks PRACTICAL
WISDOM, and is goal-orientated and ASKS REAL QUESTIONS (rather than inviting
people to say what they FEEL about evolution and the propaganda politicians
use - my, how "girly" is that!), then come check us out:

http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/philosophical_enquirer

GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL DEBATE



http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/Philosophical_Singleton

PHILOSOPHICAL DEBATE FOR THE SINGLETON



http://www.1party4all.co.uk

TRUST IN YOUR PRINCIPLES, NOT PARTIES OR POLITICIANS



Oh, and I have invited Dom Colgan.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Dominic Colgan" <[address removed]>
To: <[address removed]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03,[masked]:09 PM
Subject: Re: [philosophy-178] Evolution is not dead!



Karen
If you dont like robust argument you shouldn't be
running a jam making group never mind a "philosophy" group which this
certainly ain't.Like I asked you before, please take me off this e-mail
circulation list, which I didnt ask to be put on. Its full of nutters
and pseuds anyway. I'm after some feisty action elsewhere.
Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Dom
>----Original Message----
>From: [address removed]
>Date: 03/07/[masked]:03
>To: <[address removed]>
>Subj: Re: [philosophy-178] Evolution is not dead!
>
>
>Hi,
>
>It is too much to ask that arguments be offered in a polite format?
I,
>for one, am very much put off by comments like: " Just playing word
>games and dropping [t]he names of long dead philosophers who have
not
>got the benefit of today's science" because seems unnecessarily
rude
>and argumentative. I know that discussions of philosophy can
certainly
>stir things up, but it would be great if we would all try to think
>about how it would feel to us if the comments we were making were
>instead addressed to us.
>Thanks,
>Karen
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dominic Colgan <[address removed]>
>To: [address removed]
>Sent: Mon, 2 Jul[masked]pm
>Subject: Re: [philosophy-178] Evolution is not dead!
>
>
>
>Andromeda,
>
> Rationality does not guarantee survival as a
>species.For crying out loud our star the Sun is not going to survive
so
>how can we.I must also knock on the head this idea that the human
brain
>is the pinnacle of evolution and will always ensure our dominance.
>
>If an Asteroid hits the Earth or Bird flu/Ebola or other
virus/bacteria
>mutate in the right way we are history.The dinasaurs dominated
>300million years.We have been around less than 1
>
>Ants are likely to outlast us
>
>Why are we talking Evolution.Evolution like Cosmology has
philosophical
>consequences and implications.Thats what makes philosophy
interesting
>to me.Just playing word games and dropping he names of long dead
>philosophers who had not got the benefit of todays science is
assenine
>
>Dom
>
>
>
>----Original Message----
>From: [address removed]
>Date: 02/07/[masked]:40
>To: <[address removed]>
>Subj: Re: [philosophy-178] Evolution is not dead!
>
>
>What is right is what rational, and what is rational is
what preserves
>us in mind and body. Clearly the Aztecs and Easter Islanders were
not
>rational, for they are now extinct.
>
>
>
>Why are we talking about evolution? The story is still being played
>out. We won't know the full story until we have stopped evolving.
>When we have stopped evolving we will be dead and not in a position
to
>ask, answer or understand the question!
>
>
>
>What was the question anyway? "Is evolution dead?"? How can a mere
>concept be dead or alive?
>
>
>
>
>http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/philosophical_enquirer
>
>GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL DEBATE
>
>
>
>http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/Philosophical_Singleton
>
>PHILOSOPHICAL DEBATE FOR THE SINGLETON
>
>
>
>http://www.1party4all.co.uk
>
>TRUST IN YOUR PRINCIPLES, NOT PARTIES OR POLITICIANS!
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: Maliu
>
>To: [address removed]
>
>Sent: Sunday, July 01,[masked]:57 PM
>
>Subject: RE: [philosophy-178] Evolution is not dead!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>You are very correct in that evolution does not give any
>
>indications as to what is right. The planet earth certainly
>
>would be very worried as to what mankind is doing to it.
>
>
>
>
>
>And unless we prove otherwise we may not be fit for it.
>
>Similarly we have to be fit for any type of social , intellectual
>
>form that we aspire to. But non of these formations are
>
>coming with a guarantee as to their durability. The mathematical
>
>fact is that they will come to an end , as all formations eventually
>
>die to give way to new life and formations.
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>Man however has the problem with the Endings, history as written
>
>Is full of cliff hangers. We have done lots of wrong in the form
>
>Of self righteousness and keep doing it. My belief is that greatest
>
>direction in responsibility would be to be informed and interested.
>
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>Is this talking Evolution , I believe so. Some people have reworded
>
>Evolution in terms of Conductivity and how, Information can be
>
>Facilitated or hindered in its flow, in order to bring about timely
>
>changes. In this settings Reality becomes the sacred. Itself not a
>
>value to aspire to, but a principle.
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>As you say evolution or anything else does not spell out
>
>right and wrong , this is just an indication that survival is
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>harder and not as an Infantile a business as previously
>
> imagined. I really think some people need to grow out
>
>of Evolution, but obviously the fear makes them to revert back
>
>into the womb of dogmatic values.
>
>
>
>Maliu
>
>
>> From: [address removed]
>> Subject: Re: [philosophy-178] Evolution is not dead!
>> To: [address removed]
>> Date: Sun, 1 Jul[masked]:57:07 -0400
>>
>> I think it's interesting that everyone always seems to conceive of
>> evolution as progressing towards a better and 'higher' state - I
>> don't think it has to - it just progresses to whatever will help it
>> survive - this doesn't have anything to do with morality or being
>> better, just being more suited to surviving in a particular
>> environment. And I would say the same is true physically, socially
>> and politically.
>>
>> We use the term 'evolved' to mean a higher state spiritually,
>> morally, etc but this has a different meaning than when its used in
>> conjunction with evolution/natural selecion.
>>
>>
>> Kat
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30 Jun 2007, at 19:30, Salim wrote:
>>
>> > Dave,
>> >
>> > I have seens books on amazon about social evolution etc and I
think
>> > this is a great area for discussion.
>> >
>> > If people evolve physically, socially, politically etc, who are
at
>> > the present time on this earth the most evolved?
>> >
>> > How do you measure/define what more evolved is in terms of non
>> > physical evolution?
>> >
>> > 1. who is the most socially evolved and why? what defined the
>> > parameters for it's measurement?
>> > 2. who is the most politically evolved and why? what defined the
>> > parameters for it's measurement?
>> > 3. who is more evolved in terms of self-awareness and why? what
are
>> > the measurements for self awareness?
>> >
>> > Who are the people who are defining these definitions which is
how
>> > to judge humanity at large? do they study us like animals evolved
>> > from animals or as human beings who are far above any animal
>> > nature? Do they study us as animals struggling to survive or as
>> > human beings trying to attain human perfection?
>> >
>> > Are the definitions and parameters defined by these individuals
not
>> > just internal perceptions of 'what it is to be a real human
being?'
>> >
>> > If the baselines set for what it is to be a human being is wrong,
>> > can the study of the human being and its conclusions ever be
>correct?
>> >
>> > e.g. Is a man who rides a donkey who shares what little he has ,
>> > more socially evolved, than a man in a private jet who squanders
>> > wealth regardless of others?
>> >
>> > e.g. Is a political leader who fights to remove injustice more
>> > politically evolved than a political leader who terrorises
innocent
>> > people to protect his self interests?
>> >
>> > Is social and political evolution measured by the moral standard
of
>> > the one who studies you and me? can the correct start and end
point
>> > of social and political evolution only be made by the one with
>> > perfect moral principles? someone with no self interests, no
>> > arrogance, no racism, no superiority complex, no preconceptions
>> > etc.. etc..? i.e. the one who has annialated the self?
>> >
>> > Will atoms who study atoms ever understand what it is to be
human?
>> > can atoms ever attain human perfection?
>> >
>> > Just my thoughts...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: Dave <[address removed]>
>> >> Reply-To: [address removed]
>> >> To: [address removed]
>> >> Subject: [philosophy-178] Evolution is not dead!
>> >> Date: Fri, 29 Jun[masked]:56:38 -0400 (EDT)
>> >>
>> >> It's late in the morning and I'm a little confused.
>> >>
>> >> I'd like to keep the evolution debate going a little, if no-one
>> >> minds.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If I assume that we can evolve physically, emotionally,
socially,
>> >> politically, spiritually, 'whateverually' - could I still be
>> >> considered an
>> >> evolutionist?
>> >>
>> >> Or is the classic understanding primarily associated with the
>> >> physical?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hence if the environment made it more likely for the black moths
>> >> to succeed,
>> >> compared to the white moths. Do we assume that evolution was
>> >> separate from
>> >> 'intelligence' - ie the white moths didn't choose to go and find
>> >> white
>> >> flowers but continued to pitch on the trees. If so, then can the
>> >> same be
>> >> said of people?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ie Is there a fundamental difference for the evolution of
>> >> creatures which
>> >> are self aware and those which are not.?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Please explain.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Dave (obviously still in the process of evolving)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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